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6-29-2011 @ 3:46PM
Not every class needs to have every spec be raid viable. Especially pures.And is there anything really stopping you from picking up a spec-swap/saver addon and swapping your PVP spec to a PVE assassination spec and even *gasp* either doing a reforge saver, and swapping reforging, or, building an offset of gear?You want broken? Ret is broken. BM is terrible in PVE.There's tons of classes that have specs that have NO encounters that cater to it.You have a borderline OP spec that only performs well in a cleave environment? Boo freaking hoo.
6-29-2011 @ 4:02PM
Actually, for all intents and purposes BM is supposed to be the pet survivability spec, solo spec, and MM is more viable because of an old outdated set of tier gear that heals based off damage done. It should be removed, and BM should actually be made useful. The only people who play BM collect pets. Once the pet is collected, they're never seen on the spec.(Unless they're supremely stupid)
6-29-2011 @ 4:08PM
I'm not asking for every spec, I'm only asking for two. Warlocks, mages, and hunters all have two good PVE specs, and rogues deserve the same.
Why are you talking about hunters on a rogue article? They are not welcome here, after all the times hunters have taken our stuff.
6-29-2011 @ 4:09PM
That wasn't to you Chase.
6-29-2011 @ 4:33PM
Warlocks have 3! Yay! \o/Btw, isn't Sub simmed as the top Rogue spec right now? http://www.simulationcraft.org/420/Raid_T12H.htmlIs that simulation unrealistic? Is it because of Backstab?
6-29-2011 @ 5:08PM
To put it another way, I can simulate that it is possible to get home from work really fast by weaving in and out of lanes between cars and barely squeezing through gaps. However, in reality, real world imperfections and very real world consequences for failure make such a prospect... unrealistic.Sub can be a competitive spec. You just need to be some kind of zen master to do it, though. And Assassination will be equal or better with much less effort and more attention paid to the environment. Consider 4 finishing moves in Rupture, Eviscerate, Slice and Dice, and Recuperate. Random procs of Honor Among Thieves. Managing the Hemorrage debuff to keep up the bleed damage debuff. Two combo point generators depending on if you can be behind or not. Excessive CDs with Shadowstep, Shadow Dance, and ambushing during the dance.Look at Assassination: Mutilate for CPs, Slice and Dice once, then switch between Rupture and Envenom for finishing moves. One CD is just a flat damage increase, another is a one button press which you hit before a 5-combo-point Envenom. That's it.
6-29-2011 @ 5:25PM
"Sub can be a competitive spec. You just need to be some kind of zen master to do it, though."-Not quite"Consider 4 finishing moves in Rupture, Eviscerate, Slice and Dice, and Recuperate."-you only need to use rupture once, so for all intents and purposes it is three."Random procs of Honor Among Thieves."-Maybe in heroics, otherwise it is a steady 1 ever 2 secs. "Managing the Hemorrage debuff to keep up the bleed damage debuff."-Even if you don't have a druid/war to do it, it really isn't hard. I mean you should keep a timer addon if you want to make sub managable, and keep hemo w/ your three over time effects."Two combo point generators depending on if you can be behind or not."-Ok really? If that is an issue than why not add shadowstep being suicide on some fights. Wait, that point actually has some merit because it is actually true and will hurt dps. I mean switching to hemo is easy.Excessive CDs with Shadowstep, Shadow Dance, and ambushing during the dance.SS should be only in macros, idk what you mean about ambush, but yes, CD management is a large part of the spec. Still it is very doable with practice.
6-29-2011 @ 7:20PM
I'm aware of how rogues work. The point wasn't whether doing all of that was hard to you, or whether my hyperbole was 100% accurate 100% of the time. The point was whether it was WORTH it compared to how easy Assassination is. If you can do all of the Subtlety priority list, I can guarantee that you can do much better with Assassination.Using 100% perfect simulations given above, Subtlety is still only 2% better than the simulated best Assassination player while doing 2-3 times more work. And that's not taking into account target switches or any phases where the boss can't be hit and you have to reapply rupture.Say all you want that you enjoy Subtlety and only want to raid with it, that's your call. But Assassination is still a better performing spec for players, because you actually have time to pay attention to your environment and keep an eye out for important things like Shannox's traps and unexpected changes.
6-30-2011 @ 12:50AM
If i can play sub optimally then I can play mut optimally so i'm not sure what you are getting at there. Anyway sub switches better than combat, think about it. While sub needs bleeds, mut needs poisons. Sub can SS and if it does have to run, it at leasts gets CP and refreshes on the way. Mut? that is completely lost time. Plus sub's CP generator is better. Now maybe for longer periods mut would pull ahead since sub won't use CDs on trash, but still.
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