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6-29-2011 @ 9:50AM
I still believe that the "Earthmother" is simply synonymous with the Titans themselves. The "Earthmother" titans created them, but the dark whispers from the Old Gods not only imbued the Tauren constructs with the Curse of Flesh, but also caused them to wage war. This might predate the second coming of the Titans, when they actually discovered the Old God infestation to begin with. If they imprisoned the Old Gods AFTER the Curse had afflicted the Tauren, but didn't reoriginate Azeroth, then would be left with all these cursed, fleshy beings; including the cursed tauren, vykrul, dwarves and gnomes. Thinking back on this, it seems odd: The Titans, discovering their creations instilled with the Curse of Flesh on their return trip back to Azeroth, reimprison the Old Gods and.... do nothing with the fleshy beings that have now been created? Doesn't sound very organized or methodical to me, and if the Titans hate anything, it's chaos. I suspect the Tauren story of the "pure shu'halo" represents something the Titans did to the Curse of Flesh beings, cleansing them of whatever bloodlust corruption the Old Gods also instilled into them. This means at some direct point in human, dwarf, gnome and tauren history, they were cleansed of part of the Old God influence, but not the Curse of Flesh.So if the Earthmother is a Titan, how does An'she and M'usha fit into it all? It's been long suspected that they are actually Naaru who stumbled upon Azeroth and taught the denizens about the Light. Still, assuming the Earthmother is a Titan and An'she and Mu'sha/Elune are Naaru, the Tauren legend becomes a direct link between the Titans and Naaru.
6-29-2011 @ 4:06PM
To be honest, while the old gods are beings of chaos, the curse of flesh itself is not particularly chaotic. Have you ever looked at a diagram of the human body? If you could look inside yourself, literally, you'd see everything in the right place, with only small variations from that diagram, and small variation between yourself and other humans. Now, the old gods, didn't create flesh, because we have trolls and the primative Quiraj to prove that, and the titans seem to be incapable of doing so, as evidenced by the stone guardians we see everywhere in Uldum and the Storm Peaks. When those guardians die, they fall to peices, bits of them coming off literally at the seams. When a troll or a tauren or indeed a human dies, it dies because it has been frozen, its soul sucked out, its muscles and tendons cut or its body set aflame. In short, the old god's curse of flesh didn't add chaos, it added *complexity* to the world. The tauren cannot be creations of the titans, because there is no analog to them in the titan cities, as there are for the Dwarfs (Earthen), Humans (Stone Vrykul), Gnomes (Mechagnomes) or the Tol'vir (Obsidian Guardians). Who knows, given enough time, the anubus-inspired constructs found in AQ might become flesh, or at least have fleshy cousins.
6-29-2011 @ 4:30PM
Except the ask CDev 2 answer did not include Tauren in the list of sentient races. For what you say to be true, then it again suggests the Old Gods controlled the taurens past the point of madness and so when the Titans arrived, they wouldn't be considered sentient, but then after the purge, they are?What this really brings home to me is that the constructs may have been left behind to guard the Old Gods where they are not so easily succombed to the influence (by not being flesh) while leaving the rest of the planet in the hands of living beings (Aspects, Ancients, etc.) which may be why the Old Gods needed the "curse of flesh". Perhaps the curse is only that constructs become flesh and thus weak against the Old Gods, which they are designed to guard against, not that flesh is an unintended curse to begin with. As an allegory (if that's the right word): The curse of tongues in this world is the curse that separate languages occur which at times impede upon our ability to communicate, not that language itself is bad.
6-29-2011 @ 5:35PM
If we assume titans were here twice:1) titans arrive, do stuff2) old gods do stuff, wage elemental war3) titans return, imprison old gods and elementals.I believe trolls, aqir and faceless ones exist between 2 and 3, and the curse of flesh was whispered out after 3, not before. The Q&A says there's no way to know who existed before 2.If the curse of flesh was rampant before 3, then the sentient races should be on the list that were thus afflicted, but maybe I'm just messing up timelines.
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