Know Your Trash: Firelands trash runs and you

You'll want to be well geared before heading into the Firelands, even for trash runs. I would recommend being at least ilevel 353, the same gear level that the new Zandalari troll heroics grant you. Now that you can purchase ilevel 359 gear with justice points, reaching that number should not be a hard task at all.
Discuss your purpose
Why are you running the Firelands trash runs? What do players need to know about this scraggy band of Horde or Alliance, venturing into Ragnaros' domain? Well, you're there for two purposes: Avengers of Hyjal reputation, and BOE epics and profession patterns. You can get up to honored reputation with the Avengers from most trash and further beyond that on Molten Lords and Ancient Core Hounds. At friendly, you'll be able to get some sweet ilevel 378 cloaks, and at honored you're graced with a handful of belts to choose from.
Let people know up front what the raid is all about, or ask early how long you're going to be farming, etc.
Need before greed?
Set roles early, and let people know the rules ahead of the game. If epics drop, you're going to have hungry raiders scrambling for upgrades. Set the rules early, and then communicate with your groupmates about who gets what if it drops. If tanking epics drop, don't let "main" spec DPSers fool you into thinking they need the item -- you'll probably just see it on the auction house later.
Patterns and professions
Epic crafting patterns that use the new Firelands crafting materials are dropping from Firelands trash mobs. Let the trash raid leader know early what profession you are, and make a note of who has what profession so that you can dish out the patterns to people who can use them. Otherwise, again, you'll probably see it up on the auction house.
Making money isn't a bad thing
If no one needs an item, your best bet is to greed roll for it. After all, everyone in the group is putting in the effort and time to get these epics and patterns, so you'll want to reward players with a shot at these potentially lucrative items. The auction house will be buzzing with purples for a few weeks while the Firelands are pillaged and pilfered of its BOEs.
A learning experience
Above all, trash runs are a great way to learn the trash and the layout of an instance before actually stepping in with your guild. Here's how to deal with the common trash packs at the beginning of the instance:
- Molten Lord This molten giant will apply a debuff stack to your tank that deals significant damage over time, so have a second tank taunt off at around four to five stacks and trade the Molten Lord back and forth when stacks drop. Ranged will have to watch out for his magma jets, and melee have to move for his stomp.
- Ancient Core Hound These dogs will be familiar to those who had the pleasure of running Molten Core back in the day. Core Hounds have a fear, a nasty flame breath, and an ability called Dinner Time that will devour your tank and spit him out. Pour on lots of healing, and try to mitigate the fear with Tremor Totems, Fear Ward, or other fear-breaking abilities.
- Molten Surger Surgers charge random players and do AOE damage. Spread out to avoid taking too much damage to your whole raid.
- Hell Hounds These guys are tricky. Suppress the urge to AOE them down; instead, have your tanks pick up a few each and focus-fire them down. They hit harder over time as a group, so getting them down one at a time turns out to be more effective then letting them live as a group longer.
- Flamewalker packs The Flamewalker packs are comprised of Flamewaker Cauterizers (healers) that need to be shut down before the other creatures. Interrupt and stun them. You can even CC one of them before the pull. The rest of the mobs, the Forward Guard and the other guy, are easy to tank in a group with AOE tanking abilities, and your healers shouldn't have too much trouble keeping your tanks up. They look more intimidating than they are.
- Unbound Pyrelords and Unbound Smoldering Elementals Arguably the trickiest trash pack, these elementals have a unique gimmick. The baby unbound smolderings will take 90% less damage unless ignited by the big guy. The Pyrelord will Ignite one of his minions at 80%/60%/40% health. You'll want to stop using stuns on the Pyrelord because any missed ignites will force you to take a long time to DPS down the babies. Bring the big guy down to 80% health, then kill his Ignite target. Repeat for 60% and 40% health. Also, the ignited elementals AOE massive fire damage, so kill them quick.
- Turtle packs Ignore unless your PUG wants to bounce around like crazy people and fly off of the Firelands. For the love of all that is holy, run. If you must kill the turtles, have everyone stand on the edge, aggro the baby and pray your group has a sense of humor. The patriarch turtle has a spell reflect shield that shoots back spells at the caster. The matriarch and hatchlings have a shell spin and knockback that is very annoying. Use lots of stuns and you'll be fine against this shelled menace.
- Giant Fire Scorpion and his friends Tank and spank the scorpions but watch out -- the little guys explode when you kill them. Get out of range, and kill them one-by-one.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 3)
Aurix Jun 30th 2011 12:43AM
Killing both the Overseers is what did it for us.
Also, yay got my apparatus!
Cephas Jun 29th 2011 9:04PM
I look forward to seeing more posts with the tag how-to-trash
Gennifurfur Jun 29th 2011 9:45PM
After 1 1/2 hours of trash clearing just to get to a boss, only to have trash respawn behind us within the hour... yeah, I'm not gonna be going on any "trash farming runs" any time soon.
Carang of Kargath Jun 29th 2011 10:27PM
Yea, the same thing happened to my raid. We ended up just killing trash for the rest of our raid time to get everyone to friendly.
Kaphik Jun 29th 2011 10:29PM
Took us about that time last night, our first run in. Tonight, we got to Beth'tilac in about 10 minutes. Once you learn the trash it's fine.
Balgus Jun 30th 2011 1:54AM
Check the hotfixes. they increased the respawn timer from 2 hours to 4. Happy hunting :)
Goodk4t Jun 30th 2011 3:19AM
The trash stops respawning after Shannox is dead, so you might want to kill him on Tuesday so you don't have to kill the trash again on Wednesday... ;)
Gennifurfur Jun 30th 2011 9:25AM
Right, we didn't get many attempts on him. My main point is that it is going to get old fast killing trash in there, I am not going to go on runs just to kill trash.
twbrienn Jun 29th 2011 9:50PM
You forgot one major thing about the ancient corehounds. Skinning the gets you savage leather and core leather....yes level 60 Molten Core core leather.
wutsconflag Jun 29th 2011 10:38PM
The ultimate troll by Blizzard... The core hounds drop core leather (still).
bwaahahahahahaha
Good show Blizz! :)
Rai Jun 29th 2011 10:08PM
Just do me a favour, people.
If you kill the turtles in an area, finish off the entire pack. Don't let baby lava turtles become orphans.
...they'll hunt you down.
kaminari Jun 30th 2011 1:19AM
hello, my name is inigo tortolla, you killed my parents prepare to die
RavenJet Jun 30th 2011 3:11AM
Bwahahaha - snap.
On Vent last night as we took them on (going for daddy firsT) I said "Wouldn't it be ironic if the baby turned out to do the most damage ?"
And somebody else replied: "Well you are killing his parents - he will want revenge !"
Me: "..hello my name is Inigo Montoya..."
Everyone laughed !
Carang of Kargath Jun 29th 2011 10:27PM
A comment on the Unbound Pyrelords and Unbound Smoldering Elementals. Because the Elementals only take 5% damage your healers will need to watch aggro. I was pulling off of our tanks last night on my druid pretty easily.
PvtDeth Jun 29th 2011 10:52PM
lolwhat? I can't remember the rest of the sentence that got cut off. Well, regardless, the axe sold for 50k in about 10 minutes and I got the cloth caster glove pattern. We didn't set any rule about multiple drops so one LW actually got three drops. Also, it was 6 recipes. I forgot that one of them dropped twice.
Lemons Jun 29th 2011 11:15PM
Is anyone else kind of disappointed that farming trash is a viable method of repping up Avengers of Hyjal? Didn't Blizz say that rep would only come from bosses?
I, for one, hate farming trash. I would rather do a serious raid instead of spending my time mindlessly grinding trash mobs. It's not fun at all.
cloudhopper013 Jun 30th 2011 12:30AM
No, at (a) certain point(s) you need to kill bosses in order to reach the next level of rep, but in the mean time you can grind trash up to those/that point(s).
I say that because I'm not sure if there's only one point where from that onward you need bosses or if you need bosses each time in order to advance to the next level.
trefpoid Jun 30th 2011 12:49AM
the rep doesn't go beyond Honored as far as I'm concerned (not there yet, but so i've been told).
Nina Katarina Jun 30th 2011 6:58AM
the rep goes to 5999/6000 Friendly.
fbp Jun 30th 2011 10:20AM
Currently honored 858/12000 or something. I only get rep from Molten Lords and Core Hounds, at 55 rep per. So its "farmable" to revered at least.