"The interesting thing about this of course is that there is no such thing as a casual raiding guild just different degrees of hardcore ones. Having firmly scheduled appointments and written rules in a game is hardcore and not having them when you need them just leads to drama."

Hmm, I agree that there are varieties of hardcore, but there are also varieties of casual. My own raid guild does 2 nights a week, 3 hours a night. We managed to clear all of the normal BoT/BWD/Throne content just before Firelands hit. We really do NOT feel "hardcore." I guess from your viewpoint we are, but from our viewpoint we're not. We take it easy, we have fun, but yeah, we have two scheduled raids.

I still don't think it's that bizzare an idea. Tons of people schedule time to practice/play baseball, basketball, football and whatever else in organized teams. They schedule at least one practice and one game a week, usually more. Why's it so odd/hard to schedule a pair of 3-hour blocks to play video games? Just the stigma that "video games r bad, sports r gud"? If it's just that you have no time to schedule, well, anything, then that is understandable.

Overall, I just HATE the "casual vs hardcore" mantra. It frustrates me to no end that the community tries to divide itself into two camps when there are so many more varieties than that.