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7-06-2011 @ 3:52PM
What gets me though, is while I can see the tauren being all right with the orcs and trolls, who at least have a similar sort of approach... how can they -possibly- justify allying with the Forsaken, who despoil, blight, and corrupt all the land they touch, and their Queen gleefully scooping up everything Arthas didn't leave nailed down and throwing it around willy-nilly? And speaking of 'living in balance'... the blood elves are so far out of balance they're dangling upside down off the end of the beam. They literally suck the life force out of things to feed their own bloated needs, and twist the land around them into an artificial garden that, while it lives, is about as natural as a twinkie.And the goblins are just crude, shortsighted asshats. I think the only reason the tauren put up with them is that if they get too out of hand, they can squash them under a hoof.But seriously. As time passes, the Horde has become more and more out of balance, more destructive...there's even an Ashenvale quest where you're sent by an orc to go corrupt the heart of the forest... ostensibly to 'show those nelf hippies their place' but the real aftermath of that action would be to turn the ancestral elven homeland into a scorched, dry wasteland like Durotar. Is this acting in balance? I think not. If this kind of thing keeps going on... will the tauren place their oath to an orc who's already left the Horde above their spiritual duties to the Earthmother?
7-06-2011 @ 4:23PM
I think the Tauren continue with the alliance with all of these races for a few reasons.1. They, in the end, allied themselves with the Orcs. Do you stop being friends with some one just because their other friends are jerks.2. Is abandoning these races really the best way to bring balance, or do they have a better position of influence because the can "work from the inside"?3. Tauren have a great sense of honor, and if it weren't for the Orcs and Trolls they might not exist at all. This is HUGE and a tough thing to shrug off. I'm sure it makes it a little easier to ignore some things.4. How much knowledge of the events you discuss would the Tauren have? Is Baine even aware of what Sylvanas is doing, let a lone some of the less obvious things you mentioned. We as players have A LOT of knowledge that the in game characters aren't generally privy to.
7-06-2011 @ 4:26PM
About the Forsaken thing, it was actually the tauren that caused them to join the Horde. When the Forsaken as a whole were young, the Earthen Ring (which was pratically just tauren before WoW began) pitied them and swore to help find a cure for undeath. The Earthen Ring then convinced Cairne that letting the Forsaken into the Horde was good, and in turn, Cairne convinced Thrall to let them in. This is why the Forsaken have a heavy presence in the pools of vision in Thunder Bluff, instead of tauren shamans being there (which would be the right thing I guess O.o). Despite this, the rest of the Horde (even the Blood Elves, and rightfully, imo) never viewed the undead with good eyes. Especially after the Cataclysm and such, I'd like to see more forsaken/other Horde (except orcs) interactions.
7-06-2011 @ 4:30PM
The tauren can justify this by not buying into the distortions and hyperbole you post here.The Forsaken do use their latest concoctions in war, yes. They do not, however, "despoil, blight, and corrupt all the land they touch." The Blood Elves are no more guilty of transforming the world around them than the orcs or humans, and certainly less so than dwarves, gnomes, or goblins. The goblins are short-sighted indeed, so they more than anyone really need people around to help them consider the long view. Your "real aftermath" of the quest in question to demoralize the night elves by destroying an old elven relic is pure fiction, and it's also perfectly clear from the quest like that *Garrosh and most orcs* would disapprove of the actions taken. Claiming this as a basis why tauren should dislike orcs is like claiming tauren should dislike night elves for the actions of Fandral. Are Fandral's actions acting in the balance? I think thought. Obviously this proves the tauren are going to come to hate all night elves, right? No, it doesn't work that way.
7-06-2011 @ 4:59PM
To be honest, the Forsaken lands are thriving. Maybe not in the way you'd expect, since you can't really live there easily as a non-forsaken, but they are thriving with fungal growth and insect live, both of which are high in theme with the Earthmother. As for the Blood Elves, they haven't been sucking the life from things since they turned to the light, and are now much more about restoring the beauty and life to their homeland even if through arcane arts. With the recent turn to the light by the Tauren, they have much more reason to calmly approach the situation with the Blood Elves.As for the goblins.. Short sighted? My friend, short sighted doesn't make profit. Goblins are amoral, fiendish, thrifty, and devious. But short sighted is never something you can afford to be, or you end up a sapper with a career of about an hour. Most of that time spent fitting yourself with a bomb. The shamanism of the goblins is strange and unusual to the tauren, but they still make deals with the elemental spirits and draw upon their strength. They keep them in check and promote a balance that while admittedly is a balance in favor of a profit margin to the shaman, keeps fire from destroying all the greenery, keeps water from flooding all it touches, keeps air from eroding the land, and keeps the earth from simply swallowing up the living. The tauren themselves have geologists, are not against the mining and excavation of the earth in moderation, because if you do it right you can send a druid in later to regrow stuff. So while the goblins are beyond the limits of the tauren, their ways are approachable and can be reasoned with for the sake of their shared arts. And while it may look to us like they're simply despoiling the land, that wouldn't make profit. There's a long term plan there, step one destroy, step two restore. Sell the sucker his minerals one day, then turn around and sell him a nice little garden when he gets tired of the minerals.
7-06-2011 @ 5:25PM
For what it's worth, the Blood Elves are off Fel magic and (mostly) off arcane magic. Remember, BC ended with the Sunwell being reignited, but now its energies are Light based, so all the Belves, or at least the ones at home, are bathing in free pure Light energy all day.
7-06-2011 @ 5:45PM
@Gossamer - you ask how much information individuals may know about what goes on in the world. I'd say quite a bit. You're talking about a land where teleportation to other worlds and other planes happens on a daily basis. I'd say the dissemination of information about events throughout the world happens rather quickly. I mean we already have something similar IRL with the internet and think about how fast information travels with that. If you could teleport across the world, how much would you and could you know about what's going on?
7-06-2011 @ 6:01PM
@ Mahram: Just as we need to remember that our characters are better informed than the average citizen of the Alliance/Horde, we also need to remember to take all the teleportation with a grain of salt. For better or worse, our characters are special. Most people on Azeroth will never see magic done, much less go traipsing through a magic portal to another world. As well, remember that information moves on a different timeline when the fastest form of communication is by horse or ship; It takes at a minimum three to four weeks to reach Northrend from EK; it probably takes a month or two to sail from EK to Kalimdor. And that's for news that's intended to be widely disseminated; do you really think Sylvanas is going to broadcast to the world (or at least to garrosh) that she's using the Plague against everything she can see?
7-06-2011 @ 6:15PM
@ChriorI thought it was Magatha and the Grimtotem who were the strong backers of the Forsaken amongst the tauren? After all, both Magatha and the Forsaken are quite adept with poisons.
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