Gold Capped: How to use trade chat to make gold

When was the last time you saw trade chat used to actually trade more than Chuck Norris jokes? Interestingly, it can actually be used for making gold! This might be a bit of a paradigm shift, so bear with me here.
Trade chat is simultaneously one of the most overused and underused tools in our toolbox. Non-auctioneers sometimes use it almost exclusively because the addon-free auction house is intimidatingly badly designed. Gold-making pros sometimes get so wrapped up in their own business that we miss out potentially profitable chats.
So how can you use trade chat to profit?
Buying
Buying is an integral part of any money-making method. The less you pay, the more profit you're left with. Buying off the auction house costs the seller 5% of the sale price plus listing fees every time an item comes back unsold. If you're buying something from trade that's available from the AH, you can always ask for 5% off and it won't cost the seller anything.
You can, in fact, ask for considerably more than 5% off AH price. You'll often find people hawking things in trade chat that they just want to move quickly and are willing to negotiate on. BOE epics are a good example of this: The longer the seller holds it, the less he feels he'll get for it. He's right, but often you'll find someone who just chooses an arbitrary value for it well below what you know it's worth. Another factor is that a lot of people who don't count the time they spend earning something into the cost of the item they are selling prefer to use trade than the auction house.
When I say "what it's worth," I'm talking about market value. This is basically what you could realistically get for an item if you were to sell it on the AH. Market price is a vague number, though, because everything can be sold at a range of prices. The higher you price an auction, the longer it will take to sell. For every item, there is a price point at which it'll flat-out never sell except by an accident. There is also a point at which it will sell as soon as anyone in the market sees it. Somewhere between these two extremes is the market price.
The main disadvantage of using trade chat is that you have to be on at the same time as your seller. If you're not reading trade when the seller announces, you'll never hook up. The other disadvantage is that even if you do hook up, it takes a lot longer to complete the transaction. You need to negotiate a price, meet in person, and then use a trade window with only six slots. This is all perfectly acceptable if you're buying 30 Living Embers from a recent transfer; however, it gets old fast if you're buying Cobalt Ore half a stack at a time from people leveling through Northrend.
Negotiation
The main advantage of buying through trade chat is that you can often negotiate a better price. People seem to have a built-in expectation for the process of negotiation that goes like this:
- Seller asks for a price.
- Buyer offers a lower but not "insultingly" lower price.
- Seller asks for half the difference.
- Buyer accepts or refuses.
The process is different when you're negotiating with a farmer, though. First, you have a different set of goals. In addition to a low cost, you also usually need volume to leverage that cost as much as possible. Unfortunately, on the open market, the more you buy, the higher the cost gets. When you're negotiating with a farmer, you'll want to convince him to farm more while providing the same price. The only tip I have is to tip. Ask what he does when he's not farming, and provide a small incentive to him every time he CODs a large batch. I'll give a belt buckle, a flask, or a PVP enchant sometimes.
Selling
Selling on trade will get you your money immediately, avoid lost listing fees for unsold auctions, and avoid the 5% AH cut. It is also the only way to get people searching for certain items on the AH (rare, quest, pet, or RP items).
It looks great, but remember the disadvantages. You have to be on at the same time your buyer is reading trade, and you have to physically meet up and trade with the buyer to complete the transaction. Also, most people buying gear improvements don't wait for them to appear in trade; they get what they need from the AH. The biggest disadvantage of selling in trade, though, is that you need to beat the AH to get any business.
Addons
One addon I don't use but would probably be worth the time invested if you're serious about stalking trade chat but still want to, you know, play other parts of the game is Trade Forwarder. You can't chat in trade from outside a main city, but you can read it and send tells to people you see.
Another addon I've toyed with is called SpamThrottle. It can be configured to grey out repeated messages. Repeating messages are less of a problem now that people can only say two things in a global channel in a short period of time, but it's still annoying to have to glance over and disregard the same guild recruitment spam every 45 seconds. Proper application of this addon will show you each message once.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
cadaverous Jul 14th 2011 3:20PM
Trade Forwarder can get you a ban if you have messages involving gold selling fowarded to you outside of a main city.
bob Jul 14th 2011 3:44PM
I've been running the addon for quite a while now and have never heard/seen such a problem. I've certainly gotten the spam forwarded to me and I'm sure that I've done my share of forwarding too. Of course my anecdotal evidence isn't dispositive of your claim, I merely mean to suggest that it isn't a widespread problem.
(cutaia) Jul 14th 2011 3:28PM
"You can push some people harder -- the more they want the cash now, the more flexible they'll be. Also, don't underestimate the value of a true and believable "walk-away"."
So true. I never intend to negotiate without being willing to walk away. I especially do this when someone does a "WTS" ad without giving a price. If they don't mention a price, and I whisper with an offer, they invariably try to get a little more.
I always, always say something simple along the lines of, "Well, [x] was all I had wanted to pay. Thanks anyway." They usually then decide they didn't need that extra couple thousand they tried to get and sell it to me at my price.
jusmaxjomant52 Jul 14th 2011 3:29PM
I usually advise against trade chat. At least dont mention the price in your barking. Trolls will flame the crap out of you. I prefer the AH cut to trade chat trolls.
wow Jul 14th 2011 3:39PM
This.
I tire of Trolls in Trade Chat. I don't even sell there anymore, even though I can get some good gold out of it.
Shinanji
xiani Jul 14th 2011 6:47PM
You are of course right.
The moment you go near /2 and mention a sensible price for something is about 5 seconds before the usual idiots start with the "lol, overpriced, ripofff" nonsense, but that has very little effect on the sensible people who will actually end up buying.
That said, as a seller, I don't normally hawk stuff on trade 'cause it's a lot of hassle, and frequently you get messed around by people who aren't really interested.
As a buyer though, trade is great. You're on-line anyway; AH scans are running, your AH alt is buying up cheap stuff...and there's someone who needs gold fast and is constantly barking whatever new BoE they have no need for at ever-decreasing prices. Might as well profit - time v. gold here is insanely good!
What *really* helps, when you find a regular person who sells on /2, is you being polite, fast to meet them, and friendly (even a bit of trade-y RP) - they will like you, remember you, and if you say that you might be interested in buying more of whatever it is they have to sell in the future can lead to some good deals.
Having good suppliers (especially ones in decent guilds who have a regular surplus of desirable loot to sell) will serve you well, and /trade is often the best way to find them initially.
Katherine Jul 14th 2011 10:44PM
I have a macro that all my characters use, so that I can use trade chat without having to put up with trolls. It's really simple.
/join Trade
/leave Trade
I press it once, say what I was going to say (often macrod) and then press it again. If I'm fast enough I won't see anything else in trade, and I'll only get whispers from people who are genuinely interested.
Basil Berntsen Jul 15th 2011 9:05AM
Like any other troll, trade trolls are best ignored. If you're lucky, someone else may yell back that you price is fine, and the ensuing argument will ensure that everyone reading trade knows what you're selling.
morncreek Jul 14th 2011 3:42PM
I am not much of a person to use Trade to sell things, so it is interesting to read about why some people prefer it. For myself, I hate the amount of time I have to just sit in a city trying to sell a big-ticket item while trying to avoid spamming. The chat interface is improved from what it once was, but it is still pretty awkward to communicate with multiple inquisitors.
The Auction House lets me list prices I feel comfortable with, especially in conjunction with the Auctioneer addon, and I can toddle off to do other things like leveling an alt. I consider it worth the 5% convenience fee.
As a side note: I find the addon BadBoy_Guilded is excellent at removing guild recruitment from public channels (excluding the actual Guild Recruitment channel, of course). It is a plug-in of BadBoy: Anti Spam Automatic Reporter.
Rubicon Jul 14th 2011 3:47PM
I would love a Chuck Norris joke compared to the Anal [Spell/Ability/Achievement]s that seem to be going on whenever I log in.
morncreek Jul 14th 2011 4:13PM
BadBoy_CCleaner addon may help you there.
Rubicon Jul 14th 2011 4:28PM
Thanks man! I will check it out tonight!
Marshal Jul 14th 2011 3:49PM
I have trade chat hidden. I just /2 whenever I need something, or to sell something. It was funny for a couple of months, but then just got not funny after a while.
Storm Eagle [Planeteer | Power of Phoenix Wrights Colloquial Catch Phrase - OBJECTION! and Captain Planets Second in Command] Jul 14th 2011 4:01PM
I don't, nor will I ever, understand the AH cut. Why does the AH need a cut of our imaginary money? Do the auctioneers need new clothes? I mean, I guess the proceeds from the last two expansions did fund the new renovations, but still. I can understand if it's a way to get people to also use Trade to sell their merch, but it still hurts when you sell that awesome BOE epic on the AH and see how much the AH takes out.....
Eirik Jul 14th 2011 4:26PM
Warcraft is exceptionally inflationary - money is pumped into the economy by quests, by cash drops, by "vendor item" drops. It leaves the economy by vendor purchases.
... and auction house 'cut', and equipment repair. And that's about it.
Vendor purchases aren't a large money sink, for most players, at most times. There are a few notable ones, but they're notable precisely because they are rare and/or one-time purchases.
Gung Jul 14th 2011 4:40PM
It's an effective anti-inflation (gold sink) device. We actually need more of those imo.
Jordan Jul 16th 2011 2:45AM
Two reasons:
1-You use the AH instead of hocking on trade constantly, this saves you time and therefore gold, therefore to "host" your auction the AH takes a small portion of the total gold received.
2-This also helps slightly when you consider the cost of an item - when putting something on the AH a selling needs to consider the fact that, 10% will be lost, this makes the prices a bit more sane imo - some people try to overcompensate but if there's competition the value of this is lost.
Some have said this prevents gold farming as well, but to be honest it doesn't do a damn thing for gold farming, it still happens, and even through the AH. (when I see some dude hosting like, 20 grey items for 2k each... riiiiight.)
Keveline Jul 14th 2011 4:04PM
/leave trade
Necromann Jul 14th 2011 4:21PM
This
Eirik Jul 14th 2011 4:28PM
Do not underestimate using mail to turn one-time AH customers into repeat customers, particularly if you are supplying raw materials, or even some finished ones (potions, glyphs).