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7-15-2011 @ 4:29PM
While the drama mamas are right about everything they said I keep wondering to myself, why such a big deal over low level enchants? Unless they were BoA enchants which sometimes sell for a couple k a piece I don't really see the big deal. It seems to me the guild you are in may not have really cared for you before. Not because of any moral wrongdoing but because to them you're just another "guildie". Being in guilds of all sorts and actually having a leveling guild of my own I only see my g bank fill up, wishing people would use more items. If it were me I'd actually be happy somebody was taking advantage of all the low level stuff that's there for that reason. As far as you using low level stuff for someone who's not in the guild, who cares? IMO if he's a friend of yours he's a friend of mine until proven otherwise. This would be that "otherwise". I'd politely tell you that next time he asks you for stuff from your g bank that he should join the guild or work on them himself. I have people ask me for gold all the time (partially because I'm very rich in game) and I tell them that I work hard for my gold and so should they. Your friend does seem like he's using you though and if I were you I'd cut ties with him in game and RL. Otherwise he'll do the same thing again in a different capacity in-game and out. The one thing I do find funny is the officer who reprimanded you. Lets not forget how much guildies contribute through perks to these leveling guilds. It sounds to me that this guild is on some kind of power trip over items that probably added up to 5g. I mean give me a break...let's not forget that this is just a game. Don't go branding yourself as a horrible human being, and remember kharmas always around the corner waiting and I have the feeling it's waiting on your "friend". Cheer up gamer...life's a long journey where we ALL learn valuable lessons thru mistakes.
7-15-2011 @ 6:16PM
1. Great song. Chevelle is a good group (and from Chicago) 2. I think both Mama's got trolled. I mean wtf does anything have to do with someone having a spinal condition? Is that some sort of way to see if we feel sympathy for him? Has totally nothing to do with his story- only to set up his ending comment "spineless is seattle"? Tacky. 3. Mr. Spineless get over yourself. You took the goods (if this is even true) not your friend. 4. If it was low level stuff your GM should thank you. I run a smallish leveling guild and I wish more people would use the low level stuffs as pdub also stated. People tend to take out things and then replace them with crystal vials they fished up. Can't understand that one. 5. As a GM I monitor the guild withdrawals from time to time. The only time I would talk to anyone about it is if they logged on and took their limit every day for a couple days and logged out. It would also depend on what they took. If it were items they couldn't use or items I know fetch a good amount of gold I would have an issue. In my guild I don't allow initiates access to withdraw. Members get 1-2 stacks per tab but only have access to first 3 tabs. I tell people not to put high level things in the first 3 tabs but people don't always listen/read. To some extent If it's there you should take it. If it was a newly promoted member that's one thing but if it's a legit member of the guild who has been around for a while- they have the right to take what they want- if they want to sell it, use it for an alt, give it to a buddy, whatever. That's what it's there for. 6. You should promote people on level of trust and how helpful they are to the guild. With the guild finder now there are plenty of low level ninjas going from guild to guild to see what they can see. Don't give them access to the guild. They will usually leave within the hour or day depending on how patient they are.
7-15-2011 @ 8:02PM
@ NoyouMaybe the person included the spinal condition as a way of showing that an answer of "go do some other activity outside" is not going to be feasible for him or her.
7-16-2011 @ 7:52AM
Most guilds I've been in have a kind of a "junk" tab. This is generally a free-for-all for things, like low level greens and blues, vanilla era motes, easy to obtain mats like copper ore and bars, as well as some leveling crafted stuff like non combat pets, enchant scrolls, and gnomish army knives.So this letter kind of doesn't make sense, and I'm with the other people that are kind of puzzled over why an officer or GM would care that a guild member took out some very low-cost things that would otherwise clog up the g-bank.
7-16-2011 @ 6:01PM
@Noyou -- The fact that he mentions that he's a teen with a spinal condition that limits his activities is relevant for two reasons: a) it tells me he probably has few close friends, if any, because not only is he unable to engage in alot of the activities which his peers enjoy, but also, teenagers can be mean as shit to anyone who is "different", and b) it explains why WoW isn't merely a game to him, it's a way for him to interact with people where his disability is completely irrelevant, if not entirely unknown; it lets him feel normal, and that's important to teenagers. All of this explains why, even though this friend of his doesn't seem to be a CLOSE friend, he felt compelled to help him anyway -- this is the guy who got him into WoW, and WoW is clearly a meaningful part of this kid's life. I don't blame his guild for acting the way that they did. If they're a casual guild, they're probably much less stringent on who they're willing to invite, and they may have had several prior experiences with people removing "worthless" stuff from the GB for non-guild purposes. It's also possible the demotion wasn't so much punishment as it was an attempt to prevent the guild from also being victimized if this "friend" tries once again to take advantage of "Spineless" -- because chances are good he will. It's pointless, however, to tell "Spineless" how he SHOULD have handled the situation without also telling him what he should now do to make amends -- and it's clear he DOES need to make amends to the guild, at the very least to earn back the trust he lost. He needs to approach the GM, on a low-level alt if he just can't face the rest of the guild, and apologize, explain that he realizes in retrospect he was used and is embarrassed by the entire situation, and ask what he can do to get back into the guild's good graces. Do they need the materials replaced? Fine, he'll do his best to restore the GB to it's previous state. Is it really just a matter of principle? Ok, he'll pay a sum of gold in restitution and penance. My guild operates a little bit differently than the average raiding guild; it's comprised primarily of a core group of people who have played together for years, plus RL friends and family of those people. Thus, although not everyone has equal guild bank access, most everyone feels they have a stake in the guild. As a result, most if not all of us consult with one another before removing items from the guild bank, although it's not actually required. The GM limits access to certain tabs, and has one set aside specifically for Cata mats and other high-value items that only he can access. No one in the guild has full access to any tab except for the GM, and alts rarely get access to the bank at all (if you need something that badly, you can log on your main for it). Other than the odd hacker here or there, I don't think we've ever had anyone try to loot the guild bank...
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