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7-18-2011 @ 4:48PM
I'm pretty sure I'm the only one on this site who DOESN'T like Golden. Her writing comes across as simple and unimaginative - they went here, this happened, this is how they feel about it. She's never spent too much time on descriptions, she always seemed to skim the surface of Warcraft. Golden would give a nice cursory overview, catching everyone up to speed, but her novels lack the depth and detail that -- here it comes -- Knaak is able to conjure.Yes, he has a tendency to use Mary Sues and dues ex machinas, yes he shamelessly inserts his prime characters into the major background events of Azeroth. But his writing is SO much better. His novels read like adult fantasy novels; I can get lost in his vivid descriptions, his edge of the seat combat scenes, in the trials and emotions of his characters. He makes his novels feel. Golden just... can't do that. Or she chooses not too. Her books are good, no doubt, but they just feel like they're on a lower level compared to Knaak.An example: Stormrage vs. Shattering. They both deal with a few characters struggles amidst some world-threatening catastrophe. Stormrage has the Nightmare, Shattering the... Shattering. Stormrage effectively drove the point home about how scary and powerful the nightmare was. Just imagining Stormwind under siege by a mist... Trade district's gone, flashes of magical light showing that the Mage Tower still stood, and soldiers nervously licking their lips atop Stormwind Keep as they struggled to not look at their nightmares made real in the chaos below. Yet, I still felt for Broll, Fandral's betrayal (SPOILERS) was shocking; I felt impacted, moved. Nothing in the Shattering conveyed that sense of emotion, nor any real connection to the main characters. It was better than Arthas, but not by far.Well, that rant turned out longer than I meant. No one's probably going to see it anyway. :/tl;dr:- Love Knaak's detail, not a fan of Golden's cliff notes- I'll give TotA a shot, maybe Golden's gotten better, but please no more Thrall after this...- I feel like I'm the only Knaak lover on here- WHEN WILL BLIZZ HIRE KNAAK AGAIN?!
7-18-2011 @ 5:04PM
I know that it's sort of expected for people to vilify Knaak, but I've never really understood the whole phenomenon of hating him so singularly. He's not the best author I've ever read, but he's far from the worst. I also find that the "Mary Sue/Gary Stu" charge is one that's a bit overused of late... it's become watered down to the point that any character someone doesn't like is an obvious Mary Sue/Gary Stu that should be gotten rid off.I'm not a huge fan of Rhonin (who receives the brunt of this charge in Knaak's books), but I'd say he doesn't necessarily qualify for the status... I think if anyone from WotA books deserves that mark it would be Broxigar. He literally has no faults and goes out in a blaze of glory against Sargeras himself, even managing to wound a being that is a veritable god. Knaak is pretty middle-of-the-road for fantasy authors, and I'd put Golden on a similar level. Both of them are good storytellers in their own ways, and both have some obvious failings with the writing process (Golden with pacing and action sequences, Knaak with weird fanservice elements and focus issues).
7-18-2011 @ 5:24PM
Trust me, you aren't the only one who is unimpressed with Golden.The Shattering is honestly a jumbled mess of lost plot points, inconsistent pacing and ridiculous conclusions that actually made me genuinely angry I wasted money on it. The ONLY story that seemed to work properly was the Thrall/Aggra one, all the other stories were such utterly ridiculous crap I'm pretty sure I've read better fan fictions. Baine and Anduin are so utterly without flaw that it's good that Anduin is a priest so he can explain the walking on water I pretty much expect from him. The explanation of where the Council of Three Hammers was so arbitrary and completely contrary to everything we've ever been shown regarding dwarves and humans (and common sense) that I had to re-read it to be sure I hadn't had a stroke and misread it.I too think Golden's style is VERY flat, and that Knaak is probably the better person at world-building (even though his purple prose can get a bit much). I'm not saying I didn't have problems with every single one of the Knaak books I've read (tribal velociraptors...) but at least he can tell a story from beginning to end and not leave me going "that's it?"Can someone please teach Golden how to wrap up her novels? Cuz The Shattering doesn't have a proper end (except for Thrall), Arthas ends too abruptly as well... Grrrrr
7-18-2011 @ 6:43PM
Yeah, the notion that Varian would have that much sway with three dwarf kingdoms is sort of laughable.That said, I'm biased and think the Council of Three Hammers could sustain their own novel, starting with a retelling of how they were formed.
7-18-2011 @ 6:50PM
I'm not a Knaak lover, but I don't mind his work.Both writers have their strengths and weaknesses. One thing I dislike about Knaak are his characters constant lack of confidence. It okay for a hero to know what they're capable of sometimes.As for Golden, it would be nice to see a different kind of strong female orc. Aggra seems to be a carbon copy of Thrall's mom.They both use Sues.All this being said, I enjoy reading both of their works. If I want works of art, I can always reread my copies of The Illiad and the Odessy.I prefer Knaak for Alliance books and Golden for Horde.
7-18-2011 @ 7:44PM
Regarding Knaak vs Golden:At least Christie Golden doesn't put in Mary Sue characters. Sure, Thrall borderlines Mary Sue, but he always had, and Golden simply had to work with what was there.Krasus and Rhonin, one down, one to go.
7-18-2011 @ 10:29PM
Keep the following in mind very carefully:**Anything in a Warcraft novel is either approved or requested by Blizzard.**
7-19-2011 @ 10:49AM
The biggest problem with both of their books is editing. Any editor worth his salt wouldn't let Knaak write so purple a prose or let Golden get away with showing and not telling. A competent editor could help Golden immensely. Knaak however, is imo, beyond help.
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