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Aug 9th 2011 at 8:00PM 
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Zabb Aug 9th 2011 8:15PM
is it possible for mists of pandaria to be patch 4.3, not the expansion
Oakraven Aug 9th 2011 8:32PM
Zabb. Get a grip on reality please. Bliz has never. Ever. Copyrwrited the patches.
They have done this before for Cataclysm and before that Wrath and before that BC.
They are doing this before Blizzcon because they want the process complet and out of the way before Blizcon.
Right now the most likely explination is that its going to be a major Vidio game release from Bliz. and its going to be discussed officialy at Blizzcon.
Its entirely posible that Bliz has decided to go Expansion 4.3 then (2012) 4.4 then 4.5 then (in 2013) 4.6 then 4.7 then (in 2014) 4.8 then 4.9 (which means that the next actual "expansion" will be 2014)
Bart Aug 10th 2011 1:10AM
It could also be (although very doubtful) a patient on an eBook.
Oakraven Aug 9th 2011 8:34PM
(sorry ment to say) "I freely admis that its entirely posible that Bliz has. . .
Oakraven Aug 9th 2011 8:42PM
and if thats the case, MoP may very well be a completly new game line for WoW, It may be Warcraft IV(but granted it would be the most freaking odd name for a Warcraft strategy game) a new cross platform offline RPG game or who knows what its going to be right now (apart from the nuty guys at Bliz who are working on it because frankly you can draw almost any inference you want to from the madiory public fileins B/A puts out)
Vitos Aug 9th 2011 8:43PM
"The only healer dps is priests"
Shamans say "Hello!" Unless you're counting enhancement as a tank.... I would love that. Anyways.
Mathew McCurley Aug 9th 2011 9:36PM
What's a shaman?
Vitos Aug 9th 2011 11:33PM
Shaman are a class that have some druid like healing abilities, a ranged dps spec kind of like a destro-lock, nukes, semi-useful pet, and a DK frost dps spec. They also have some mage utility called Heroism/Bloodlust.
I think they're new. Not many people play them.
Fox Van Allen Aug 10th 2011 9:50AM
The only healer DPS is a disc priest, at least in the sense that they do damage to cause significant amounts of healing. Smite, smite, smite!
jfofla Aug 9th 2011 9:22PM
Something is very, very wrong...
I went to iTunes, the Show was already there, and it downloaded flawlessly.
What did you do Adam!
James Aug 9th 2011 10:46PM
So the alliance aren't on the offense.... horse hockey
The "Road" that Camp T got slaughtered for and taking over the southern barrens all the way to the entrance to Mulgore and the war going on there are all instigated by the alliance.
Matthew Rossi Aug 9th 2011 10:55PM
Camp T takes place after the Horde invades Gilneas, burns Astranaar, kills everyone at Silverwind Refuge, turns the people of Southshore into oozes, and forcibly resurrects half the people of Silverpine to serve as slaves.
I'm leveling a tauren paladin right now, doing Stonetalon. I just did the Barrens. You're straight up misguided. All Camp T is is the Horde getting back in one place what they're doing everywhere else. Where's all your Horde outrage over the slaughtered bodies of night elves literally being walked over by orcs? Oh, I forgot. If I do it, it's good, and if you do it back to me, you're a monster.
James Aug 9th 2011 11:12PM
Lets step back a sec... I'm not saying the horde aren't offensive. I'm saying the alliance is. The attacks for years by high level alliance against low level horde characters from southshore are what caused southshore to be wiped off the map.
Second the Greymane wall came down and suddenly the undead had to defend their borders from a real threat, One that had been brewing for years since the worgen were summoned to kill the undead.
Third I'm fairly certain the mutual attacks going on in ashenvale at Astranaar and Splintertree Post were instigated by The Twilight Cultists assassination of the druids ther causing distrust between the Horde and Alliance there.
Striking back is always an act of aggression. Remember mama always said "2 wrongs don't make a right."
loop_not_defined Aug 9th 2011 11:13PM
Yeah...doing Horde in Kalimdor up to 40, the *least* amount of slaughtering I did was Desolace, where I *merely* set loose a tornado in Nigel's Point, killing hundreds.
It was just the one quest, right? That makes it okay! /deflect
loop_not_defined Aug 9th 2011 11:17PM
The events in Ashenvale are kinda convoluted, though. Horde start off being under assault straight from the get go, and it ends with the air bombing of Ashenvale. I want to say "the Alliance started it!", but I saw Maestra's Post on the way to the coast, which was under heavy assault (and probably destroyed) by the Horde.
I haven't seen Ashenvale from the Alliance side, yet, so I have no clue if they enter the zone much the same way Horde do: immediately under assault. Now "who started it" isn't as clear.
MusedMoose Aug 9th 2011 11:26PM
@ loop -
I've only just started Ashenvale from the Alliance side, but I can confirm that yes, the first major quest point is Maestra's Post, and it's under heavy attack from the Horde. A dozen catapults for just one building. @_@ So likely as not the entirety of Ashenvale is the result of the Twilight cult's manipulation, so both sides blame the other for starting it.
Matthew Rossi Aug 9th 2011 11:50PM
The Forsaken didn't have to 'defend their borders' and saying that's what they did is a complete fiction. They rode in on ships! They were on ships that hit the coast of Gilneas before the Wall came down. Have you even done the Gilneas quests that you can say something like that?
In all ways, the Horde is on the offensive. The Alliance is under attack everywhere on the map. The Horde has flat out stated "we don't honor treaties anymore, we take what we want" (I know because I just DID that quest.) Everything you have just said as a counterpoint is flat out a lie. Everything. There are no "mutual attacks" in Ashenvale, as the Leyara's Locket questline makes clear. The Horde violated the treaties (they admit as much in Silverpine Refuge, while they stand over the bodies of the men and women who lived there, not even burying them or burning them) and took what they wanted. It's an invasion. It's not 'mutual attacks'. The Horde is invading and murdering, and the Alliance are fighting to keep their homes. If I come into your house and try and kill you, it's not a mutual attack if you try not to die. It's called Self Defense, and it's very much permissible. The very idea that you're supposed to stand there and die because defending yourself is a moral equivalent with attacking someone is lunacy.
Two wrongs may not make a right, but it's not wrong to prevent people from murdering you. Even if you have to kill them to do it.
James Aug 10th 2011 12:12AM
So the Gilnean Wall is nowhere near Silverpine Forest now.... and because they pulled their full force to wipe out an imminent threat that makes them the bad guys?
I mean Gilneas was locked behind a wall for years... they dug themselves a grave and were surprised when someone tried to fill it in?
Not to mention how the Alliance is all of 2 zones away from the capital city of the Horde in the Southern Barrens. What is the nearest occupied territory the Horde has to the capital city of the Alliance.
To say the alliance has made no offensive moves is a fallacy. Remember when Jaina had to kill her own father because he was willing to destroy the peace between Warcraft III and Wow.
There are no good guys and bad guys in war. There are 2 sides who don't see eye to eye. Both sides are indoctrinated to believe that their side is right. Sure it's easy to vilify the other side.. it always is.
James Aug 10th 2011 12:34AM
darn there being no edit.... but I meant to type "Allowed her father to be killed" when I was talking about Jaina.... couldn't imagine her as a murderer
Matthew Rossi Aug 10th 2011 4:00AM
Matthew Rossi Aug 10th 2011 3:57AM
"There are no good guys and bad guys in war."
This is what the bad guys and their apologists say. I'll make it plain: the people who attack without provocation are the bad guys. The people who decide to invade another country entirely to steal their resources and murder anyone who get in their way are the bad guys. The people who attack another people entirely because they think they MIGHT be a danger someday are the bad guys. The Horde are the bad guys.
Not all wars are so clear cut, of course. One could argue that World War I happened due to a series of strategic alliances that fell like dominos when an assassination inflamed an already tense situation. This is not that.
Every single argument you make is the mugger's argument. It's the thief, the murderer, the man who strikes another man from behind out of fear. It's evil, when it happens in real life. In a game, it's still a depiction of evil. The argument "There are no good guys and no bad guys in war" can be used to justify torture, attacks on civilians, germ warfare, poison gas, etc etc, and in the end it is still a justification, and those that think they can justify any atrocity with a shrug and a 'that's war for you' are fooling themselves, and revealing much of what they really think.
The Horde has bases throughout the Burning Steppes, Searing Gorge and Badlands. All are within a zone of Alliance territory. Burning Steppes is two zones away from Stormwind. Grom'gol in Stranglethorn is two zones away from Stormwind. New Kargath in the Badlands is two zones away from Ironforge. Not to mention that the Horde holds the entirety of the north, including Silverpine (formerly Gilneas territory, never part of Lordaeron), Alterac (again never part of Lordaeron) and half of Arathi (the homeland of humanity). Beyond all that, however, you're arguing that it is okay to attack someone just because they exist.
How is that not evil? The Alliance has actual justification for armed attack against the Horde: a Horde city kidnaps Alliance citizens and poisons and tortures them - there were several human, dwarf and gnome test subjects in Undercity during vanilla WoW being tortured by Forsaken alchemists, and the King of Stormwind SAW it with his own eyes during the Battle for Undercity. You rememeber, when Forsaken directly attacked Alliance troops who were supposedly allied with the Horde against the Lich King with a plague meant to kill all the living? A plague Sylvanas used herself in Gilneas, after assassinating the crown prince of a sovereign nation that she invaded, according to you, because they MIGHT pose a threat?
Go ahead and imagine your reaction if tomorrow, Canadian troops invaded upstate New York and dumped chemical weapons on American citizens because the US MIGHT invade. No bad guys?
The Horde are the bad guys. The Horde are the unprovoked, unchecked, uncaring, naked aggressors. All the Alliance has done all expansion is attempt to defend itself against attacks in Stonetalon, in Ashenvale, the complete annihilation of Southshore, the murder and enslavement as undead of Galen Trollbane (nephew of one of the Alliance's greatest heroes) in an attempt to overrun Arathi, and a straightforward and admitted attempt by the Kor'kron guard of Warchief Hellscream himself to seize control of an island near Stormwind with the stated goal of murdering everyone in Stormwind because the Horde has decided all of Azeroth belongs to them, and anyone who demurs must die.
They say as much to you when you get on the boat. "These islands are a gift to us from Azeroth itself! The Horde will destroy Stormwind!"
Show me the Alliance soldiers planning to wipe out Orgrimmar.
Fighting back against a murdering Horde that wants to kill everyone and steal everything is not morally offensive, it's necessary. And that's what the Horde has become. The quests come right out and admit it, the quests you do as a Horde player.