15 Minutes of Fame: Guilds build their own third faction

Shane Moore, author of the Abyss Walker series, missed being included in our recent roundup of WoW-playing authors -- but that's not why we're profiling him today. Shane's been rabble-rousing on the battlefield and around town, cooking up a whole different kind of PVP stew on his home realm: a third faction.
If you've ever felt ambivalent about playing sides in the Horde vs. Alliance tug-of-war, you've probably dreamed of what a third faction could be like. Shane and his guildmates are playing around with the idea in game now. At more than 1,000 members and growing strong, The Third Faction claims to draw its powers from the mandate of the masses rather than the tyrannical whims of Azeroth's ruling dictators.

Guild The Third Faction
Realm Ysera (US)
15 Minutes of Fame: Shane, let's jump right to the heart of the matter here: Why a third faction? Is the idea more to dodge the existing good-vs.-evil dichotomy of Alliance vs. Horde, or does the third faction follow more specific precepts or work against current politics?
Shane Moore: The idea stems from the broken two-party systems we have here in America. Neither serve the people, and both only serve themselves. Same as Horde and Alliance. Well, we are bringing that to an end. The Third Faction exists to unite its people under their own freedoms and not the whims of expansive dictators.
How did the idea and the first group that's become The Third Faction come about?
It all started when some fans of mine started a guild on Ysera called Dark Angels. It was a direct spin-off of some of my succubus characters that appear in book five (Birth of a Nation) of my Abyss Walker series. The Dark Angels were former angels turned into demons -- not because they fell, but because the god (Rha-Cordan) they followed became corrupted. The angels transformed into succubi and their memories were erased by the goddess of mercy. In the story, many of them escape from the abyss to experience a world that is not shaped on evil; thus, they begin to reject their wickedness -- to a point.
My readers felt that the draenei not only had a similar motivations in regards to pulling away from their people, but that they looked like demons too. So, the fans made the guild and only let female draenei characters in.
In 2008, the guild had grown considerably. I was getting email bombed by readers to convince me to play WoW and join this guild. I was going through a pretty rough divorce, so in August I went out and bought World of Warcraft. I brought it home, installed it, and learned that I needed the expansion to make a draenei. So, I decided to make a dwarf named Amerix on their server (Ysera-PVE). I played in secret to learn the game so when I joined their guild, I wouldn't seem like a noob. ... In fact, I was such a noob, I didn't even know that a noob was called a noob. *lawl*
One day I was minding my own business in STV and I came across a female tauren. She was four levels higher than I was. I was excited as I imagined the loot she must drop -- so I attacked her. She died and dropped no loot. I quickly got over my frustration and went about my business. A few short minutes later, a skull-leveled (70) blood elf player rode up to me. He laughed at me and spit on me. He was a player, so I knew I couldn't attack him -- so I thought. The next thing you know, I was dead. WTF!? How did the player attack me? That's how I discovered PVP. ... Shortly after that moment, I learned what it meant to be camped.
I made contact with the Dark Angels and explained what was going on. The entire guild came to my rescue and sacked a few Horde cities in retribution. The benefit of being in a guild were obvious -- so I asked to join. One of the fans deleted her toon Aclia so I could have the name. Aclia has been my main ever since.
By the time Lich King expansion was winding down, we had become the dominant world PvP guild. The server had gotten used to us defending them. Dark Angels Horde-side was born. We started calling ourselves the third faction. Hell, we were big enough, almost 500 players on each side. We would organize world PVP raids against each faction's military outposts. We created a standing rule: If you wanted to PVP against a Dark Angel, then you can't be in Dark Angel. This rule had to be enforced to maintain unity between the two factions ... and it worked. We started recruiting with "Dark Angels, we are the third faction, join us." We began to post on websites and forums demanding Blizzard recognize our sovereignty. We signed all our GM tickets as Dark Angels, the third faction.
I had a glitch issue after Cata came out. I opened a ticket and signed it "Aclia -- leader of the third faction." When the GM answered my ticket, he asked why we didn't guild name change. I brought it up at the officer's meeting and the name was approved.

No, the movement is The Third Faction. We are neither Horde nor Alliance. If we had our way, Blizzard would give us a keep in Wintergrasp and make us hostile to both sides. We reject their rule and look at ourselves as the will of the people, united in democracy.
How large is the movement at this point, in terms of guilds, each faction, and individual members?
Our numbers span four guilds (chats all linked together) and over 2,000 members and nearly 1,000 individual accounts.
Is Blizzard aware of the movement? What's the reaction been from Blizzard?
Yes, we have posted many notices like the one below. Blizzard put us in contact with their development team via email. We have not heard a reply, but I suspect this is due to legal issues and worries of a potential suit. However, their terms of service are pretty solid in outlining that anything you do in game is theirs. However, the game master feedback has been positive and exciting. They all would love to see a third faction or a server named after our original guild, Dark Angels.
And you ask your members to pledge sovereignty to Blizzard itself, is that right?Attention Blizzard:
The dawn breaks on a new day in Azeroth. The time of the two party system is at an end. We shall bleed for our tyrannous kings and lords no longer! Put down your blind pride and sharpen your blades of vengeance. Let Orgrimmar and Stormwind burn for their wicked injustices against the very people they govern. We will force them to recognize our sovereignty!
Join the Ysera Dark Angels as we usher in a new age, a new era. The Era of The Third Faction!
No, members pledge themselves to the movement. We demand that Blizzard recognize our sovereignty as a third faction. We have proven that we are a legitimate power among the other two. Why not give us a city or some lands and let the players decide?
Tell us a little bit about the philosophical and political alignments of your faction.
The idea is very much a team mentality. Both Horde and Alliance TTF players buy into a little roleplay in regards to the basis of the movement. But as a whole, we are just a collection of dorks that enjoy the game. The guild is the epitome of democracy -- with leaders stepping down. No one will rule forever. I was just fortunate that my rule was the most prosperous thus far.
Mid-July, I had to step down as GM to focus on my heavy tour schedule and contract load. At the time I ended my reign as the third GM, we were first in guild achievement points and had several server firsts, including 1 million HKs.

We have some players that only focus on endgame content. We have players that only like to arena/battleground. The guild created ranks for each.
Then there is the Dark Angel rank, a rank dedicated to world PVP. At one time during Lich King, we coordinated team attacks and killed auctioneers in every city at the same time. Dalaran was the only place you could work auction house. It was difficult but fun.
Does the faction have its own reputations, cities and home base, flight points, quest lines, vendors ...?
We have a guild world PVP mount, an armored snowy griffon. When we do guild events, you must be on that mount. Members in good standing that cannot afford the mount will have it provided for them. We also created guilds for officers to run our guild economy (our farmers sell only to officers at bulk rates, who sell lower than the cheapest AH rate to only guild members). This system made us the wealthiest guild on the server, as well.
How long have you been playing World of Warcraft, Shane? Is this your first MMO?
I've been playing since August 2008. This is my first real MMO experience. I played a little Ultima Online around '95, but it was on a friend's account.
Tell us a little bit about your work as a writer. What are you working on right now?
I am the writer/creator of the Abyss Walker series. It's an epic dark fantasy series where the main character is a prophetic villain.
After retiring as a police detective at age 33 to write full-time, my career has gone through the roof. Several celebs have become friends and then subsequently characters in my novel. Peter Mayhew (Chewbacca from Star Wars) was written in as Petrovisk, and Matt Hill (Raphael from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles) was written in as Blarik, just to name a couple. Now, I have nine artists doing art for me, including a former Disney animator (Terry Naughton). I have two other writers writing franchise novels in my Abyss Walker world as well as two spin-off series, graphic novels, a music album soundtrack, a dwarves cookbook, and a contract for an iPad tower defense game.
Right now, I'm working on a religion-based zombie novel set in modern times, The Apocalypse of Enoch. This title is set to come out next year.

No, most of my writing influence comes from my experiences as a police officer. I started writing in 2004 to cope with PTSD that arose from being stabbed in the line of duty. The knife never penetrated my vest, but it penetrated me mentally. I developed hyper-arousal and PTSD. Couldn't sleep because of anxiety to the night terrors I would have.
A friend suggested writing as a coping mechanism. I chose fantasy. You can't get much farther away from the real world than dragons and elves. Oddly enough, the personality of the real-life monsters I had arrested crept into my villains. This truth alone is the catalyst of my success. One thing I learned is that murderers like themselves; they think roses are pretty, and they like chocolate chip cookies. Not exactly the cliché trait of the evil, dark villain that lives in a cave and likes dead things. This truth made my villains real to the readers and thus all the more terrifying. And while WoW has some great content writers, I focus on the gameplay.
And what's ahead for The Third Faction?
Right now, that's all up to the new leader. I'll be back after the first of the year. If he needs me to run it again, I will, time permitting. I'm sure he is going through the lumps of being a new GM and learning how to manage players. But he is a practicing lawyer. I'm sure he will do fine.
So, unless Blizzard rewards our four-year efforts with a server named after us or actually makes us our own faction, there is little more I can do other than to continue to enjoy the top MMO in the world.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
dodgeballer2005 Aug 11th 2011 3:12PM
Even though your numbers are strong, you must always be on the move, Princess of a Thousand Enemies...
(Watership Down'd.)
Plainswander Aug 11th 2011 3:25PM
There's been a guild on Cenarion Circle for years now called the AAMS (Anytime, Anywhere Messenger Service) which has operated independently of faction since it began. It's a trade/diplomacy guild specializing in translations and messenger duties between the factions. They're allegiance is always AAMS first, customers second, and factions a rapidly fading third. They've always been pretty small, but they've been active since pretty much always.
Blizzards needs a way to allow people who want to leave their factions to do it In-Character, without the hassle of changing race/etc... there's definitely a market for it, always has been.
Hollow Leviathan Aug 11th 2011 3:46PM
"They all would love to see a third faction or a server named after our original guild, Dark Angels."
"We have proven that we are a legitimate power among the other two. Why not give us a city or some lands and let the players decide?"
Easy, now. You're just one guild on one server. I'm glad you're having fun, but...perspective.
Axel Blade Aug 11th 2011 7:27PM
funny that she's so confident on the power of the 'third faction'. I just tried to join the guild, and after whispering like 8 people, i finally got one to respond, who said that the guilds have stopped the guild to guild contact, and lots of people have quit, due to drama. it's upsetting to me, to hear of such an interesting sounding guild, that in reality sounds like it's falling apart =(
Dreyja Aug 11th 2011 7:23PM
Personally, I'd love to see them open up a server to something like this. I'd even pay for a whole new subscription just to try that. :)
Dreyja Aug 11th 2011 7:25PM
Personally, I'd love to see them open up a server to something like this. I'd even pay for a whole new subscription just to try that. :)
Dreyja Aug 11th 2011 7:25PM
What THE BEANS?!
John Patrick Aug 11th 2011 4:21PM
I have seen this idea come up in general conversation. To an interested observer like me - it seems that Blizzard has resisted this due to "technical" issues. I can understand that it would take time and talent to devote to creating a legitimate Third Faction at the same time that Blizzard is involved in maintaining three major MMOs simultaneously.
I applaud all the people who have created this paradigm and made it work! Wow. Double wow.
@tyler: Great idea to use the "heroic quest chain" idea. That has prescedent, and would be a great implementation!
Matthew Aug 11th 2011 4:47PM
I applaud this creativity, but your interview made you seem as dogmatic as Garrosh or Varian. Is that what you were aiming for?
I do not say that in a negative way, I think what your'e doing is very very interesting, but from an RP point of view are you the oppressed who is striving to overcome oppression and in doing so becoming oppressors?
Karl Marx anyone?
s_moore_50 Aug 11th 2011 5:22PM
Spot on, Matthew. Modeled after American Democracy, the imperialistic viewpoint can easily be seen as oppressive. Blacks or Native American's anyone?
Manifest Destiny is alive in TTF. BUT-what would expect from any group that uses morality for their champion motivator.
Do the ends justify the means? The age old question rooted in the guild's hierarchy.
incoming00 Aug 11th 2011 4:49PM
"We have a guild world PVP mount, an armored snowy griffon"
2 things...
1) if a guild screenshot is a guild event, why wasnt anyone on the armored snowy griffon?
2) if the armored snowy griffon is the guild mount, what do horde players use?
snowleopard233 Aug 11th 2011 5:26PM
I believe the armored snowy griffin is in fact a Dalaran rep mount. It similar to the alliance only one, which has a gold beak and a brown underside as opposed to a black beak and gray underside.
Still doesn't explain why the ones in the picture are not armored though.
Meradana Aug 11th 2011 5:34PM
answer to your first question, the guild-mount was only required for the world pvp events.
incoming00 Aug 11th 2011 5:34PM
actually, the Armored Snowy Gryphon is in fact an Alliance only mount bought from Mei Francis in Dalaran. it requires no rep to obtain, but gaining rep with the Kirin Tor will reduce the mount from 2k gold to 1.6k gold. the Armored Blue Wind Rider is the horde version that is sold from Mei Francis.
Zel Aug 11th 2011 5:59PM
The snowy griffon was the original mount in BC before LK. Since then, we have advanced with each expansion to keep up with the new flight speed. This photo was taken before a massive world pvp raid where the mounts also separated roles during battle.
When you see the white griffon remember that we did not shed innocent blood first. We're coming Azeroth.
s_moore_50 Aug 11th 2011 5:37PM
The different mounts were used to distinguish role in the raid.
What made this one fun is that we used flasks of illusion so our dps/prot specs were trees, and our healers were warlocks.
While this effect only lasted two minutes, this was more than enough time to grab a beach head in Orgrimmar.
Tfish92 Aug 11th 2011 5:37PM
I think this sounds like some amazing fun. Wish I could be in a guild like that.
Mordrorru Aug 11th 2011 5:32PM
I don't know if this guy, even after a few years playing World of Warcraft, just doesn't "get it" or what, but he seems to be a bit, well, AMBITIOUS for a project that, while cool and admirable, is not as a big a deal as maybe he thinks it is. This is NEVER going to get official sanction from Blizzard, with their own cities, and I'm not sure it should. To actually ask or expect it shows a real lack of perspective.
Snuzzle Aug 12th 2011 12:03AM
All it took was one little guild in Cata beta and now there's a Her Tallness female goblin NPC in the goblin district of Orgrimmar. Blizzard also regularly pays homage to exceptionally vocal or infamous names among the playerbase. You'd be surprised how many NPCs, flavor items, and even armor and weapons are named after players. It's not unreasonable to think there one day might be an homage to these guys in the game. Maybe even their own little city to defend, attackable by both Horde and Ally but non-aggressive (ie, cons yellow). Just for flavor. Who knows?
Tfish92 Aug 11th 2011 5:40PM
at first glance I thought your post said "defecation process."