15 Minutes of Fame: Guilds build their own third faction

Shane Moore, author of the Abyss Walker series, missed being included in our recent roundup of WoW-playing authors -- but that's not why we're profiling him today. Shane's been rabble-rousing on the battlefield and around town, cooking up a whole different kind of PVP stew on his home realm: a third faction.
If you've ever felt ambivalent about playing sides in the Horde vs. Alliance tug-of-war, you've probably dreamed of what a third faction could be like. Shane and his guildmates are playing around with the idea in game now. At more than 1,000 members and growing strong, The Third Faction claims to draw its powers from the mandate of the masses rather than the tyrannical whims of Azeroth's ruling dictators.

Guild The Third Faction
Realm Ysera (US)
15 Minutes of Fame: Shane, let's jump right to the heart of the matter here: Why a third faction? Is the idea more to dodge the existing good-vs.-evil dichotomy of Alliance vs. Horde, or does the third faction follow more specific precepts or work against current politics?
Shane Moore: The idea stems from the broken two-party systems we have here in America. Neither serve the people, and both only serve themselves. Same as Horde and Alliance. Well, we are bringing that to an end. The Third Faction exists to unite its people under their own freedoms and not the whims of expansive dictators.
How did the idea and the first group that's become The Third Faction come about?
It all started when some fans of mine started a guild on Ysera called Dark Angels. It was a direct spin-off of some of my succubus characters that appear in book five (Birth of a Nation) of my Abyss Walker series. The Dark Angels were former angels turned into demons -- not because they fell, but because the god (Rha-Cordan) they followed became corrupted. The angels transformed into succubi and their memories were erased by the goddess of mercy. In the story, many of them escape from the abyss to experience a world that is not shaped on evil; thus, they begin to reject their wickedness -- to a point.
My readers felt that the draenei not only had a similar motivations in regards to pulling away from their people, but that they looked like demons too. So, the fans made the guild and only let female draenei characters in.
In 2008, the guild had grown considerably. I was getting email bombed by readers to convince me to play WoW and join this guild. I was going through a pretty rough divorce, so in August I went out and bought World of Warcraft. I brought it home, installed it, and learned that I needed the expansion to make a draenei. So, I decided to make a dwarf named Amerix on their server (Ysera-PVE). I played in secret to learn the game so when I joined their guild, I wouldn't seem like a noob. ... In fact, I was such a noob, I didn't even know that a noob was called a noob. *lawl*
One day I was minding my own business in STV and I came across a female tauren. She was four levels higher than I was. I was excited as I imagined the loot she must drop -- so I attacked her. She died and dropped no loot. I quickly got over my frustration and went about my business. A few short minutes later, a skull-leveled (70) blood elf player rode up to me. He laughed at me and spit on me. He was a player, so I knew I couldn't attack him -- so I thought. The next thing you know, I was dead. WTF!? How did the player attack me? That's how I discovered PVP. ... Shortly after that moment, I learned what it meant to be camped.
I made contact with the Dark Angels and explained what was going on. The entire guild came to my rescue and sacked a few Horde cities in retribution. The benefit of being in a guild were obvious -- so I asked to join. One of the fans deleted her toon Aclia so I could have the name. Aclia has been my main ever since.
By the time Lich King expansion was winding down, we had become the dominant world PvP guild. The server had gotten used to us defending them. Dark Angels Horde-side was born. We started calling ourselves the third faction. Hell, we were big enough, almost 500 players on each side. We would organize world PVP raids against each faction's military outposts. We created a standing rule: If you wanted to PVP against a Dark Angel, then you can't be in Dark Angel. This rule had to be enforced to maintain unity between the two factions ... and it worked. We started recruiting with "Dark Angels, we are the third faction, join us." We began to post on websites and forums demanding Blizzard recognize our sovereignty. We signed all our GM tickets as Dark Angels, the third faction.
I had a glitch issue after Cata came out. I opened a ticket and signed it "Aclia -- leader of the third faction." When the GM answered my ticket, he asked why we didn't guild name change. I brought it up at the officer's meeting and the name was approved.

No, the movement is The Third Faction. We are neither Horde nor Alliance. If we had our way, Blizzard would give us a keep in Wintergrasp and make us hostile to both sides. We reject their rule and look at ourselves as the will of the people, united in democracy.
How large is the movement at this point, in terms of guilds, each faction, and individual members?
Our numbers span four guilds (chats all linked together) and over 2,000 members and nearly 1,000 individual accounts.
Is Blizzard aware of the movement? What's the reaction been from Blizzard?
Yes, we have posted many notices like the one below. Blizzard put us in contact with their development team via email. We have not heard a reply, but I suspect this is due to legal issues and worries of a potential suit. However, their terms of service are pretty solid in outlining that anything you do in game is theirs. However, the game master feedback has been positive and exciting. They all would love to see a third faction or a server named after our original guild, Dark Angels.
And you ask your members to pledge sovereignty to Blizzard itself, is that right?Attention Blizzard:
The dawn breaks on a new day in Azeroth. The time of the two party system is at an end. We shall bleed for our tyrannous kings and lords no longer! Put down your blind pride and sharpen your blades of vengeance. Let Orgrimmar and Stormwind burn for their wicked injustices against the very people they govern. We will force them to recognize our sovereignty!
Join the Ysera Dark Angels as we usher in a new age, a new era. The Era of The Third Faction!
No, members pledge themselves to the movement. We demand that Blizzard recognize our sovereignty as a third faction. We have proven that we are a legitimate power among the other two. Why not give us a city or some lands and let the players decide?
Tell us a little bit about the philosophical and political alignments of your faction.
The idea is very much a team mentality. Both Horde and Alliance TTF players buy into a little roleplay in regards to the basis of the movement. But as a whole, we are just a collection of dorks that enjoy the game. The guild is the epitome of democracy -- with leaders stepping down. No one will rule forever. I was just fortunate that my rule was the most prosperous thus far.
Mid-July, I had to step down as GM to focus on my heavy tour schedule and contract load. At the time I ended my reign as the third GM, we were first in guild achievement points and had several server firsts, including 1 million HKs.

We have some players that only focus on endgame content. We have players that only like to arena/battleground. The guild created ranks for each.
Then there is the Dark Angel rank, a rank dedicated to world PVP. At one time during Lich King, we coordinated team attacks and killed auctioneers in every city at the same time. Dalaran was the only place you could work auction house. It was difficult but fun.
Does the faction have its own reputations, cities and home base, flight points, quest lines, vendors ...?
We have a guild world PVP mount, an armored snowy griffon. When we do guild events, you must be on that mount. Members in good standing that cannot afford the mount will have it provided for them. We also created guilds for officers to run our guild economy (our farmers sell only to officers at bulk rates, who sell lower than the cheapest AH rate to only guild members). This system made us the wealthiest guild on the server, as well.
How long have you been playing World of Warcraft, Shane? Is this your first MMO?
I've been playing since August 2008. This is my first real MMO experience. I played a little Ultima Online around '95, but it was on a friend's account.
Tell us a little bit about your work as a writer. What are you working on right now?
I am the writer/creator of the Abyss Walker series. It's an epic dark fantasy series where the main character is a prophetic villain.
After retiring as a police detective at age 33 to write full-time, my career has gone through the roof. Several celebs have become friends and then subsequently characters in my novel. Peter Mayhew (Chewbacca from Star Wars) was written in as Petrovisk, and Matt Hill (Raphael from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles) was written in as Blarik, just to name a couple. Now, I have nine artists doing art for me, including a former Disney animator (Terry Naughton). I have two other writers writing franchise novels in my Abyss Walker world as well as two spin-off series, graphic novels, a music album soundtrack, a dwarves cookbook, and a contract for an iPad tower defense game.
Right now, I'm working on a religion-based zombie novel set in modern times, The Apocalypse of Enoch. This title is set to come out next year.

No, most of my writing influence comes from my experiences as a police officer. I started writing in 2004 to cope with PTSD that arose from being stabbed in the line of duty. The knife never penetrated my vest, but it penetrated me mentally. I developed hyper-arousal and PTSD. Couldn't sleep because of anxiety to the night terrors I would have.
A friend suggested writing as a coping mechanism. I chose fantasy. You can't get much farther away from the real world than dragons and elves. Oddly enough, the personality of the real-life monsters I had arrested crept into my villains. This truth alone is the catalyst of my success. One thing I learned is that murderers like themselves; they think roses are pretty, and they like chocolate chip cookies. Not exactly the cliché trait of the evil, dark villain that lives in a cave and likes dead things. This truth made my villains real to the readers and thus all the more terrifying. And while WoW has some great content writers, I focus on the gameplay.
And what's ahead for The Third Faction?
Right now, that's all up to the new leader. I'll be back after the first of the year. If he needs me to run it again, I will, time permitting. I'm sure he is going through the lumps of being a new GM and learning how to manage players. But he is a practicing lawyer. I'm sure he will do fine.
So, unless Blizzard rewards our four-year efforts with a server named after us or actually makes us our own faction, there is little more I can do other than to continue to enjoy the top MMO in the world.
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 3)
Dreyja Aug 11th 2011 7:37PM
I love to see that someone is giving this a try. I'm not sure about some aspects of their execution, especially if they are hitting civilian targets on either side. But hey, this isn't MY vision of a 3rd faction - it's theirs. :) Kudos and I hope to check it out some day.
Sei Aug 12th 2011 1:00AM
Personal ideal 3rd faction - Arakkoa, Naga, Ethereal, Furbolg, Murloc, and Ogre.
Just combine a few starting areas and start all characters at 55 or 65 and you cut the development time from insanely long to incredibly long.
Arakkoa + Ethereal start somewhere in Outland.
Naga + Murloc in South Seas.
Furbolg + Ogre somewhere old world.
Lokanaya Aug 12th 2011 12:02AM
I'd love this.... Even if my Tauren Druid could just do it to get to the Cenarion (sp?) Circle, I'd love to stop killing other Druids (NPCs) and stop helping goblins and start using Garrosh as a punching bag... Excuse me, scratching post.
Fastust-ysera Aug 12th 2011 1:12AM
LOL I'm from ysera and we bashed u fool all the time and now we never even see u so ur no longer the 3rd faction cuz ur dine horde side y'all go tired if gettin bashed on for failing
GhostWhoWalks Aug 12th 2011 1:16AM
I've always wanted a third, PvE-focused faction in the game centered around the Argent Dawn. Think about it: they're an organization dedicated to battling the evils that threaten their world, they accept volunteers from every race and either faction and they have representatives from several class-based organizations (i.e. Cenarion Circle and Earthen Ring). Essentially, a collection of Azeroth's best and bravest setting aside their differences and prejudices to try and make their world a safer place.
In my imaginings of such an Argent Dawn faction, you would need to undergo an epic quest line in order to join (to keep people from joining/leaving spontaneously), you could have a special language that would allow you to communicate with players of the opposing faction who have also joined, and you would be locked out of PvP-flagging to solve Blizzard's issue of players from opposing factions trash-talking each other during battles. It would be perfect; the Argent Dawn faction would have a base somewhere that players could meet in and receive group quests from NPCs that would organize their efforts to battle the various threats in the world.
...And then they turned the Argent Dawn into the Paladin-centric Argent Crusade, and that shot all of my visions to hell.
kane1701 Aug 12th 2011 1:47AM
While this is kinda neat.....I must say I would oppose this guild(s). The guild Im in would not tolerate this at any level. Working with the horde??????? AH targeting? I dont understand how as Alliance you allow horde to invade your lands....that makes you a traitor. Im so confused.
King Wrynn FOREVER!!
FOR THE ALLIANCE!!!!!!!!!
Thomas Higgins Aug 12th 2011 1:27PM
Which Wrynn is which? Varian? Nope. Not for me. Genn Greymane would make a better King of Stormwind. In his leadership of the remnants of Gilneas, foully and deliberately attacked by the forces of the Lich Queen of Lordaeron, he has shown that he has learned the lessons of his past and would be an ideal candidate to take the job until Anduin Wrynn reaches his majority.
Varian would make an excellent example of what the Romans called the "Dux Bellorum", or Leader of Battles, but as a King he is a bit of a Scrappy. He has poor impulse control and has also been psychologically damaged by the whole "being split in two" thing.
Boozard Aug 12th 2011 3:23AM
interesting... i'd like to see blizzard develop the faction aspect of WoW some more. currently, factions are decided simply by race which is rather superficial. I'd like to see the Horde and Alliance develop actual ideals that are polar opposites of the other (not necessarily good and evil) and a game mechanic so that players can choose which side they belong too after a certain level. like the way Aldors and Scryers in shattrah. obviously this is a huge change. so maybe in the next expansion?
Lipstick Aug 12th 2011 10:50AM
Pure speculation ..
But if the next xpac is pandas... maybe pandas will be playable on both sides both horde and alliance?
Hey .. step in right direction.
fandyllic Aug 12th 2011 11:19AM
"Birth of a Nation" also happens to be the name of a famous 1915 film promoting the Ku Klux Klan. A strange name to choose as a book title.
Thomas Higgins Aug 12th 2011 1:21PM
Hmm, if Blizzard can manage to balance three factions in their other marquee title, Starcraft, then I see no real reason why they could not do the same with World of Warcraft.
I know it is a lot of work and stuff, but what do they get paid for? So Bobby Kotick can fill up another olympic-size swimming pool with hundred dollar bills?
thee.haunted Aug 12th 2011 1:48PM
To everybody saying "get some perspective, you're one guild on one server," and saying that Blizzard would never do something so player-centric...ahem. Have you heard of this guy Leeroy Jenkins?
Arkhill Aug 15th 2011 6:26PM
An achievement added isn't the same as completely redesigning the game to add a third faction.
kane1701 Aug 12th 2011 3:25PM
just wait till Wolfheart comes out....Metzen said that it will show why Varian is the UNquestioned leader of the Alliance. And of course Greymane attacked the Forsaken...they invaded his lands.
to hell with the horde and those who would show them sympathy.
For The Alliance!
Halcyonairspace Aug 13th 2011 3:50PM
A third faction would need to have their own toon in order to separate them from the other race. What's to keep a 3rd Faction Human from walking off somewhere with a 3rd Faction Orc only to have that 3rd faction Human take him to the Ally Human for a ganking opportunity (and or, vice versa) You know a Horde Orc isn't going to immediately kill a 3rd Faction Orc if he's standing next to a 3rd Faction Human because he'll go after the human first. Confusion would run wild and you would always have to second guess whether that Orc off in a distance is really a member of the Horde or the 3rd faction.
dubljay Aug 21st 2011 1:14AM
How old is this article, it says August 2011, but this article is now bogus, Dark Angels is no longer a horde guild at all, they dont have a sister guild on the horde side so they can no longer call themselves "The Third Faction" and if you look at the log, leaders are leaving like every week, thats a VERY DISRUPTIVE GUILD...no order at all