Drama Mamas: My guildie is a registered sex offender
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Hello Mamas,
I have a real dilemma for you. I have been in my guild since the beginning of WotLK. Our little close-knit group of adventurers consists of real-life friends and coworkers plus a few WoW-only friends as well. Last week guild member X posted their phone number on the private guild forums. A lot of us have each others' digits, that's not unusual ... however, guild member Y decided to run the number through Google to get the geographic location on the area code, and discovered guild member X on an official sexual predator/offender list. This was immediately brought up to the guild leader, who first confirmed that guild member X was indeed the person on the list by comparing last names and location, then dismissed the issue by saying "[WoW is] just a game." That response prompted some members to /gquit for moral and ethical reasons.
Now, the real question: what should I do? Sex offences are very broad; that umbrella encompasses everything from rape to consensual sex with a minor - none of which is OK of course, but it got me thinking. It's not my place to go charging in asking "okay, what exactly did you do," and does it even matter? Is it any of my business? And lastly, in your opinion, what should the guild leader do, or have done differently?
Thanks ladies,
Anon.
We don't know the circumstances of the offender's actual offense, so we don't know what the actual risks are to adult players in an online situation. We don't know how long his tenure with the guild has been and how well-known he has become among your guildmates. It doesn't sound as if there are many (or any) minors in your guild. These folks seem to be reasonable adults who should be able to determine how to handle making personal contact with someone they've met on the internet.
What should the GM have done differently, you ask? Since several guild members left the guild over this incident, it's fair to say that the news of the offender's status made its way to at least some guild members. A more respectful and productive treatment of the situation would have begun with a private conversation between the GM and the offender, to clarify the nature of the offense. At that point, the GM would have been able to determine whether to ask the offender to remove himself from the guild; to add a brief, factual note of caution to the offender's post itself; to make a post about internet safety precautions in general; to notify guild members individually; or to leave the matter to individual players to research on their own according to their levels of concern about making contact with people they've met over the internet.
If the GM decided not to publicly announce the offender's status (or not to act on it), he should have explained his reasoning to the officers and any members who knew about the offender's status to make sure that they were willing to maintain that player's privacy, given the circumstances. In the face of any objections, the GM should then have worked to bring the guild leadership to consensus as a group; handling sensitive issues is, of course, what guild leadership is all about, even in the "just a game" setting of WoW.
The ideal response would have addressed personal safety while minimizing guild drama. That's all gone flying out the window now -- along with at least a few of your members, plus any opportunity for the offender to appropriately grow and move beyond his past. Remember that it's not the public's role here to punish this person; the listing serves as a caution, not a call to arms. Your GM's first and most important step should have been to apply suitable caution by going straight to the offender to find out the truth of (or at least his response to) the matter. It's not the listing itself that's the point; it's what you do with that information that makes it worthwhile. If you do nothing but scream, run in circles, and then rush out the door waving the list in high dudgeon, you've accomplished nothing but tearing your guild's relationships apart.
I wanted to embed this video about internet safety above, however I couldn't find it in embeddable form. So go watch it (with your kids even), but come right back so we can discuss two important things it says.
- Not everyone is who they say they are. You found out about X being on the list because there is such a thing as a registered sex offender list. But what about all of the other violent or sexual offenders out there that haven't been caught yet? I'm not saying that you should distrust everyone, but you shouldn't trust people you only know online with your personal information until you've really gotten to know them. (And even then, use caution.)
- If you wouldn't do it in person, you shouldn't do it online. If you are an active member in a community center, YMCA, fitness club, etc., do you post your name and home phone number up on the wall for all other members to see? Sure, you give your number to fellow members on an individual basis -- and you should do the same thing in game.
In my opinion, an acquaintance you only know on the internet doesn't need your phone number, physical address or any other information where you can be found in person. If you want to chat, use Vent or Skype. Exchange email addresses and IM usernames. Take advantage of the many options that social media provides to protect yourself, such as easily blocking someone and even changing your username in extreme cases. Once you establish a friendship that transcends location, that's a different matter.
OK, that was a bit more preachy than I like to get. Sorry about that. I get all motherly about you all sometimes.
About X's sex offender status: If you do have any minors in the guild, I think he has to go. Regardless of what adults do with the information, the underage members absolutely need to be protected. Also, if you have any people who are of age but who you consider immature, impressionable, or even gullible -- well, X needs to be kept away from them, too. If the guild leader continues to refuse to take action -- even after the mass exodus -- then I think everyone still in the guild does need to be informed so that they can make the decision for themselves as to whether to stay or go.
If X were on the Registered Shoplifter List or the Unauthorized Graffiti Artist List or even the Grand Theft Auto List then I wouldn't care at all, and I would think it was his business. No need to call him Prisoner 24601 and make him announce his status to all potential guildies. But there is at least one traumatized victim for everyone on the list X is on*, and he could be looking for more. Don't freak out, don't call for pitchforks and torches, but do inform those he's in contact with in a calm, unemotional manner on an individual basis if at all possible. A forum post where everyone can bag on the guy is not the way to go.
*Edited to add: This is except for those areas where public urination and other victimless infractions are listed. However, the U.S. national listing (thanks Audrey) includes the offenses of each person on the list, so that is easily checked.
What a pain to have to deal with this in your leisure time. Thank you for writing, Anon. /hug
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 11)
Xenikos Aug 15th 2011 1:10PM
Yes, but does the guildie show up in the classic game Alien vs. Child Predator?!?
http://www.oldmanmurray.com/features/82.html
hystrico Aug 15th 2011 1:09PM
Also keep in mind that people end up on those lists sometimes solely for having consensual sex with a prostitute (something many people find perfectly moral and harmless).
Cambro Aug 15th 2011 1:23PM
With a prostitute, I haven't heard of, but consentual sex with a minor will get you on the list as well.
I think this was a good topic to bring up, and I like your opinions on it. I hope guild leaders read this topic and consider how they may need to handle such a situation in their own guild. But, keeping your eyes open for problems is always a good rule. I recently read an article about a registered sex offender in a neighborhood and the neighbors got up in arms. A policeman's response was along the lines of, "This is not the guy you need to worry about. You know his past, and you know where he lives. What you don't know is what your neighbor over there does at night behind closed curtains. He's the one you need to be watching."
Asmor Aug 15th 2011 1:27PM
Not to mention people who get added to the lists for urinating in an alley behind a bar.
Sex offender lists are terrible. They're overly broad, their permanent nature goes against every concept of justice, and they encourage a guilty-until-and-even-if-proven innocent mentality.
If you've never had any problems with the guy before, leave him alone. If anything, /gkick the creep who felt the need to stalk him.
Bynde Aug 15th 2011 1:37PM
The Sex Offender List is a bit bullshit, actually. There are people on that list for mooning, 16 year olds having consensual sex, etc. Even 'pantsing' someone could get you on that list.
With the Stupidity of "zero - tolerance' laws you get stupid results ruining peoples lives forever because as a 15 year old they pulled down their pants and sat on another kid's head on a playground (recent serious actual newsstory) . So that kid's name is forever on this 'sexaul offender' list.
It's another asinine legal moment in puritanical Jesusland.
Noyou Aug 15th 2011 1:51PM
@Bynde
I'm sorry but if a kid pulls his pants down and sits on another kids face/head that is pretty much the definition of a sexual offense. I'm not sure with every law in every part of the world but most crimes you commit as a juvenile (short of murder) do not follow you as an adult.
wutsconflag Aug 15th 2011 1:56PM
The act of "sexting" can brand you a sex offender for life.
Can a sex offender be something to worry about?
Yes.
Should everyone freak out over it?
Not without cause.
The situation, as outlined, was handled very poorly indeed. The only people who *needed* to be involved were 1) the person who made the discovery, 2) the GM, 3) the "offender". Once they (GM and offender) discussed what needed to be discussed, the GM could take appropriate steps. Person #1 should have basically kept their mouth shut and waited to hear what the GM was going to do.
Unfortunately, regardless of the actions the GM takes, someone in the guild will object on moral grounds and leave in a huff, which can often set off an unfortunate chain reaction. It's a sad state of affairs, indeed.
venslor Aug 15th 2011 2:10PM
Before the Supreme Court got rid of sodomy laws, consensual homosexual sex. So go figure. Not to mention that it seems that, yes, they should serve as a cautionary note and everyone should be aware of any potential problems, that person has served their time in prison and have a right to enter back into society. Does not mean we should turn our backs on anything they may or may not due, but that we as society give them a chance to prove they're not going to be a repeat offender, and also, watch them like a hawk.
Spellotape Aug 15th 2011 2:11PM
While it's bad for anyone to be unfairly on such a list for whatever reason, it feels like all of these comments are ignoring the fact there are terrible and legitimate reasons for people to be on these lists, as well.
Caz Aug 15th 2011 2:25PM
@spellotape
This is indeed true, but in most cases if what the person did was *that* horrible they'd be in jail, and not living down the street playing World of Warcraft.
Sunaseni Aug 15th 2011 2:25PM
Spell: And that is why just saying "he's on a sex offender list" is worthless. If the definition of some act is so broad that harmless pranks or making love with your underage partner who's a week below legal age can land you on the same classification as child molester, judging based on that classification is worthless. The guild members might have more information than we do, but it's because WE don't have information that it's best for us to err on the side of innocent until proven guilty.
Noyou Aug 15th 2011 2:50PM
@Caz
you would then be shocked to know how little time a sex offender actually serves in jail.
dubiety13 Aug 15th 2011 4:05PM
@Noyou
Actually, I think you'd be shocked to learn how much more harshly we treat sex offenders compared to other criminals, given that they have such a low recidivism rate (the only class of felon with a lower rate of re-offending are murderers). Armed robbery certainly doesn't carry a lifetime of parole despite a recidivism rate of 80%...
Hikko Aug 15th 2011 4:34PM
This topic gets under my skin. I have a good friend who's brother is currently in jail. The brother went to a party, got a bit tipsy, and got a blowjob from a girl who said she was not only 18, but 21. There was no way of telling she was lying, that she was only 17. And there was certainly no way of knowing she would tell her parents and he would end up in jail. For 7 years.
Yes. He is in jail for 7 years, for getting a consensual blowjob form a 17 year old who lied about her age. And he is on the national sex offender registry.
Currently there is a 13 year old girl on the national sex offender registry for having sex with her boyfriend who was 12. Yea, children shouldn't be having sex that early (That's my personal belief) but the national sex offender registry?
To chase your friend away, simply because he is on a list that, due to it's many flaws, means nearly nothing, would be completely bastardish of you. Find out his crimes, you have his name now. If it's worth being scared of, then you can freak.
Bynde Aug 15th 2011 4:52PM
@ Noyou
Yes, you're name on the List can and will follow you throughout your life. That's the idiocy of such laws.
Some harmless kid pranks like mooning or pantsing can get a kid on this list and follow them into adulthood. that's why the list, without details , is complete useless bullshit.
Snuzzle Aug 15th 2011 5:01PM
Exactly. Regardless of what this guy did, for the rest of his life, as soon as people find out he's on that list their mind will immediately jump to him being a child molester or a rapist.
Maybe he is. We don't know, though.
Do they have a national gun offender list? It would encompass everything from cold-blooded murder to simply carrying your gun without a proper license. How fair would that be?
Sex makes people do stupid things. In an ideal world, the guy's friend above wouldn't have accepted the anonymous BJ from the girl. But, some people enjoy random one nighters. Should they be on a list with pedophiles and stigmatized for the rest of their life because their partner happened to be 17 instead of 18?
While I can say just knowing a guildie was on the list would make me uncomfortable, if you don't know the details don't villainize the guy. He probably deals with that everywhere he goes. It comes to a point where the public otracising more than outweighs the crime.
Murderers don't walk around with "murderer" stamped to their face, yet we're essentialy forcing this guy to walk around with "rapist or pedo" around his neck for the rest of his life, regardless of what his actual offense was in that broad definition of "sex offender". It's like "ex con" but much, much worse.
Katsuya Kaiba Aug 15th 2011 7:10PM
My former boss' best friend is on the Sex Offender list for having sex with a minor when he and the girl were both in High School. They're currently both happily married and living the American dream. So as everybody else said, find out what it's for rather than knee jerk reaction of kicking him out.
Herpderp Aug 16th 2011 7:39AM
My brother is on the sex offender list. Why? Because nearly ten years ago, when he was 17, he got drunk (yes, he's stupid) with some friends and they passed out in his bestie's camaro. The following morning he woke up, had to pee really bad, and went to a nearby bush to take a leak. His head was pounding from the hangover so he didn't notice the four year old playing in the neighbor's yard, whose parents DID notice my brother, called the cops. Long story short, he got in deep shit and put on a fraking registered sex offender's list. Now every time he moves he has to notify local police and go door to door around his neighborhood and notify every neighbor that he's a registered sex offender. He's attempted suicide twice in the last three years because of this. Everywhere he goes he faces scorn. And no one will even be buggered to listen to his story; they automatically assume he's lieing and a pedobear. He won't even play WoW as he's completely paranoid about even being around children. He's uncomfortable around my wife and our children out of fear that someone will accuse him of something.
My whole point of this post is this: the person who made this discovery should have went to the GM or an officer and kept hush; let them deal with it. It'd be something else if X was hitting on kids/teens in the guild or posted his number to get one of them to call him. But without more facts, I think the /gquitters acted foolishly like a bunch of spoiled children. Whom amongst us all is without any sin or skeleton in our closet? It's one thing if he acted like a pedobear but how do we know? Perhaps he was an upstanding member of the guild? We don't know why he was on the list, simply that he was on it.
Why is it that in America once you commit one crime--or are simply convicted of it whether you did or didn't or there are mitigating circumstances--you're labeled as evil for the rest of your life? Some people DO reform in the penal system. In b4 massive arguments about repeat offenders (assuming that 100% of those locked up are repeat offenders and will repeat again, etc etc), or that I'm a pedo sympathizer, etc etc etc.
Nick Aug 16th 2011 8:26AM
I think we need to focus a little more on what Asmor mentioned, and that's how utterly inappropriate it was for that guildmate to run a location check on someone's phone number. I'm sorry, but if your guildy doesn't tell you where they live, there is a REASON for that and you have absolutely no right to try to find out behind their back. Even if they give you their phone number, if they don't give you your address, it's obvious that they don't want you to have it, and invading their privacy like that is wrong. Frankly, I don't care if he really IS a pedophile (and I think pedophiles don't deserve basic human rights, so this is saying something.) Web etiquette dictates that you let people have their privacy, and the guildy who violated that needs to answer for it.
Noselacri Aug 15th 2011 1:13PM
If that person was an 18 year old senior in high school dating a 15 year old sophomore, and they had consensual sex, the 18 year old can still end up as a sex offender.
I think it's necessary to learn more about the situation before branding an individual for what could literally amount to a bad breakup.