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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
8-22-2011 @ 1:40PM
Mr. Crow said...
You're saying "people are getting boatloads of points from grinding the troll dungeons, so why not let them get those points from grinding the original tier of dungeons now that troll dungeons aren't the new hotness?" Blizzard's logical response is "what's stopping you from running those dungeons?"
The point systems exist to make sure you get something out of the run (whether it's gear or points to buy gear), but you should also be enjoying the run as well. If you're sick of killing trolls, just queue for the original tier and power through the place. So you'll be short some VP from Dungeon Finder... but getting into a pug for Argaloth/Occu'thar at BH or taking down any raid boss is going to help make up for that. And is being a little short on your VP income really going to be more aggravating than having to run ZG AGAIN?
The benefit of geared players going back to the original queue is that they'll be helping players who haven't been able to get into the troll heroics get there even faster. More players with top-end gear means more pugs available for raids. More pugs for raiding means more raiding groups, which allows people who are really done with the 5-man content to get into Valor incomes they might have had access to before.
I agree that the dungeon tier system only works if you're going to churn out new 5-man content on a fast basis -- it should never have reached this point, where the new raiding tier and daily content trivializes the gear gains from 5-man play -- but since Blizzard realized that a 5-man content-only patch isn't going to satisfy the bulk of players, I don't expect to see this tiering structure ever happen again.
Wasn't this the whole reason the raiding tiers were combined into a single-lockout system? So players couldn't burn themselves out on the content because they felt they had to do 25s AND 10s in order to stay competitive? There's no requirement that says "if you don't get all your VPs in a week you're a bad player" so I don't think Blizzard needs to make a change that just lets people do that when the content is still there to be played.
TL;DR: Rossi, I respectfully disagree. ^_^
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8-22-2011 @ 3:17PM
John said...
Mouseover the bar that shows how many VP you've accumulated in a week when you have the dungeon finder open.
You'll see that you can not get more than 490VP per week from doing non-Z heroics.
THAT is "what's stopping you from running those dungeons?"
8-22-2011 @ 3:39PM
Mr. Crow said...
If the game was only about accumulating those points, then why does it matter what dungeon you're in?
The big thing I'm arguing here is that the game is NOT just about accumulating points -- it's about enjoying the time you spend playing. If I have to choose between maxing my incomes for the week and having fun in a dungeon, I'm going to pick having fun.
I can appreciate why some people want to have their cake AND eat it, but I don't see why Blizzard needs the change the paradigm any earlier than 4.3. The game isn't about points.
8-22-2011 @ 4:32PM
briker said...
It's more about efficient use of time. Given the number of alts, dailies and other things, let's mix up the heroics so that there is some variety while still gaining the maximum number of VP and JP.
If they do this, I say nerf the Hakkar fight and the Dragonhawk fight - it's still too much of a wipe fest, and kills more groups than anything else.
Let us run our dungeons, have some fun, get our points, and have a little variety in there too. On all of our alts.
8-22-2011 @ 4:39PM
Mr. Crow said...
@Briker: THAT I can't argue with. I only have the one main at 85, so for me, choosing to be less than efficient with my incomes isn't that big a deal. If you're fulltiming this game, then yes, efficiency is important.
8-22-2011 @ 4:51PM
Gerbera said...
"And is being a little short on your VP income really going to be more aggravating than having to run ZG AGAIN?"
Uh... seeing as how I grind out the max on my main every week and still have 1 VP piece left to get (for main spec only), not going to troll is a huge waste of time if I don't cap out for the week. I'm not doing these heroics for fun or loot or shards, I'm doing them for VP - that's IT.
My raid group is 6/7 in Firelands. I don't usually get the chance to kill BH because of time issues and PUGs on my server are horrible. 6/7 in Firelands leaves me 2 trolls short, or 4 normal heroics. Yes, queuing and completing 2 trolls takes less time than queuing and completing 4 normal heroics - I say this as heals AND dps.