Today in WoW: Thursday, Aug. 25, 2011

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All the focus I've seen on transmogrification and I can't help but think - If only all that effort was put into some wicked content, rather than this novelty crap...
I have to say, I generally like all the FL boss mechanics, some cool stuff. from a healing perspective I love baleroc and alysrazor, that take it outside the box. However, the raid itself is pretty lame, a big open firey field with a bunch of trash and bosses slapped down on it.
All the focus I've seen on transmogrification and I can't help but think - If only all that effort was put into some wicked content, rather than this novelty crap...
I have to say, I generally like all the FL boss mechanics, some cool stuff. from a healing perspective I love baleroc and alysrazor, that take it outside the box. However, the raid itself is pretty lame, a big open firey field with a bunch of trash and bosses slapped down on it.
I've seen a lot of these sorts of overstatements or oversimplifications of the work that we're doing on our end of things and I have to honestly say that it can get a bit tiring to see repeated as fact when it's opinion. While we greatly appreciate constructive feedback and opinion, we also want to make sure to encourage people to pause and make sure that what they're sharing with us and the rest of the community is constructive to begin with.
Let's start off first by clarifying that Transmogrification is a feature we felt would benefit the community in many ways. It should open up the opportunity for people to feel as if they have the ability to customize how their character looks while still retaining the stats they really like, want, or need. It is as of yet, untested on the PTR, but it will be. The "rules" of what can and can't be used are still in development, and even after the rules are set at the live release, we may well add additional options into the system. This system should lend itself well to long term use and enjoyment for many people.
That said though, (and yes we did have to spend time on the technical end of things to make sure it is going to work well), we are also working on other things including the Void Storage, but more importantly, are working on some pretty amazing content for patch 4.3 which includes new dungeons and the Raid on Deathwing. We're not quite ready to give you all the details on these as of yet, but I can tell you that we're looking at some pretty great storylines and events to be played out. I can assure you that despite what your perception may be, Firelands was not designed by simply plopping down bosses in a field of fire, nor is anything we design quite so simple. If it was, we'd probably all get more sleep and spend more time on the company yacht. Right? ;)
I'm sure your perception is that our only focus is Transmogrification because you've only seen us really getting into the details on it recently and it's been a hot topic for the community overall. But don't be fooled into thinking that the content to come is going to be a simple paper cut out puppet show in a cardboard box.
Again, please don't take this as me disregarding your opinion or thoughts. Just be reassured though that we're not "just" doing anything in regard to the upcoming content. There has been many many hours of work put into what is coming: many meetings, many strategy sessions, much design work, coding, artwork, music, animation, etc. If we make it look "easy" then I guess there's not much we can do about that. ;) We have some truly talented and amazing people working on these things, so I guess we just can't help making it look that way.
*As always, I'd like to remind everyone that if you choose to take part in these discussions, you should refrain from personal attacks or non-constructive posting so that the thread doesn't become derailed. Once that happens, we either have to try to get the train back on the track, or just lock it off and leave the wreckage where it lays.
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All I know is that if the next patch notes say "We fixed the awful click-to-move bug... and also, here's transmogrification" then I'll dance the happy dance.
If you just keep rolling out new stuff while the bug list grows, I'll dance the sad dance.
All I know is that if the next patch notes say "We fixed the awful click-to-move bug... and also, here's transmogrification" then I'll dance the happy dance.
If you just keep rolling out new stuff while the bug list grows, I'll dance the sad dance.
Unfortunately, we can't just put out foggers to kill bugs, but I can assure you that we don't choose to not fix bugs just for the heck of it. Some bugs are just harder to kill/fix than others or rely on even new technology to sort them out. Sometimes a bug is even darn near impossible to reproduce even if we've seen it ourselves. Thus why we're always very appreciative of the community taking time to report these to us (with as much detail as possible) so we can find and fix them.
That said though, that quest is never ending. World of Warcraft is a very complex game and what was fixed one moment could get glitched out again the next if a build changes or code changes. We do what we can do stay on top of it, but unfortunately, we have human limitations that get in the way despite the introduction of our new cyber-enhancement program. (It's fledgling yet so there may be bugs in that system too... (Ok, I'm kidding about cyber-enhancements)).
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So I'm sorry you find this kind of feedback "tiring" Neth, but it's also tiring to never have it addressed in a satisfactory manner. Yeah, I know, the same people who pump out dungeon and raid bosses are not necessarily on the same team that's rolling out Transmogrification. Guess what? As a consumer, I don't care what goes on behind the curtain. All I care is that you try and keep up such that I, and the people I play with, don't get bored.
So I'm sorry you find this kind of feedback "tiring" Neth, but it's also tiring to never have it addressed in a satisfactory manner. Yeah, I know, the same people who pump out dungeon and raid bosses are not necessarily on the same team that's rolling out Transmogrification. Guess what? As a consumer, I don't care what goes on behind the curtain. All I care is that you try and keep up such that I, and the people I play with, don't get bored.
I knew someone would pick up on that word of all words. ;)
I'll continue it and say, it's also tiring hearing that we're not addressing things in a 'satisfactory manner'. Not because we don't want to put in the effort or that we're giving up on trying, it's just that when the effort is put in, it's not enough for select people. Of course it's that way because we have such a diverse population (which is great) so we're never going to address everything to everyone's satisfaction.
That said though, I wanted to make sure you know that I appreciate you taking the time to write your post. I appreciate the constructive feedback and also wanted to acknowledge that we are well aware of the feeling that we're not delivering content fast enough. We are continuing to find ways to do just this. Just keep in mind that we do not want (nor are choosing to) deliver anything that isn't up to our standards. So, we still will hold to the idea that if we feel something isn't good enough or isn't working how we wanted it to, we will not put it out there just so we can say we did.
For the Call to Arms bug... I'll have to revisit that topic elsewhere. I know we had some things that were addressed or being looked into at one point.
For those who continue to support us and our efforts, we really do appreciate it. Just please remember that even those who may seem "negative" are supporting us in their own way by simply letting us know about the things that they are experiencing or feeling too.
Greetings All!
As we've done for past PTRs we're going to be hosting another Play With The Blues event.
Tomorrow, 8/26/2011, from 2pm-6:30pm PST me and many other Blizzard employees will be logging into the 4.2.2 PTRs and queuing as groups for random battlegrounds.
Test your strength against our mightiest warriors (and our mightiest mages, mightiest rogues, mightiest paladins, etc, etc)!
We'll be in either the [Blizzard Horde] or [Blizzard Alliance] guilds.
As we've done for past PTRs we're going to be hosting another Play With The Blues event.
Tomorrow, 8/26/2011, from 2pm-6:30pm PST me and many other Blizzard employees will be logging into the 4.2.2 PTRs and queuing as groups for random battlegrounds.
Test your strength against our mightiest warriors (and our mightiest mages, mightiest rogues, mightiest paladins, etc, etc)!
We'll be in either the [Blizzard Horde] or [Blizzard Alliance] guilds.
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My emphasis in that quote is "replica" as I am wondering if this means Blizzard will be bringing back old items/Tiers/weps/etc. with some type of notation on the item to distinguish those who got the item when it was obtainable and who received it after the fact? Something like "Shadow of....." Also what about weapons & unobtainable shields? Will the Darkmoon Faire expand its services in the future?
My emphasis in that quote is "replica" as I am wondering if this means Blizzard will be bringing back old items/Tiers/weps/etc. with some type of notation on the item to distinguish those who got the item when it was obtainable and who received it after the fact? Something like "Shadow of....
We haven't fully solidified the list of old items/sets that will make a return via the Darkmoon Faire carnies. We'll let you know once we've locked down what's for sale there in patch 4.3, but yes, we're likely to expand the vendor list in future updates.
"Replica" does mean that these items may very well just be art skins made available specifically for use with Transmogrification, devoid of their original stats. Once you copy those skins onto another item though, I don't know that one would be able to tell the difference between whether you earned the look back in the day, or from the Darkmoon Faire. Only the name of the item from which you're pulling art will be shown in the tooltip of the item you have equipped. So if the names of the items aren't changed when placed on Darkmoon Faire vendors, a player inspecting you wouldn't know the difference once you've mogged your look.
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I would prefer that they are a recolor or something. I don't like the idea of completely removing the benefit of having grinded and saved these legacy sets for years taking up precious bank space to have something visually unique to wear on occasion.
It seems like they are removing even the very small number of ways one can try to be a special unique snowflake.
I would prefer that they are a recolor or something. I don't like the idea of completely removing the benefit of having grinded and saved these legacy sets for years taking up precious bank space to have something visually unique to wear on occasion.
It seems like they are removing even the very small number of ways one can try to be a special unique snowflake.
We do understand that concern, which is why we're implementing this feature in a more conservative manner than some would even like. Ultimately, Transmogrification gives folks a wide array of new customization options, but we do want to have some restrictions in place to keep character looks from getting too ridiculous, and to make sure all previous sets in the game aren't absolutely free for all.
I'd still caution you to avoid drawing very distinct and speculative conclusions at this stage about all of the Transmogrification rule sets, features, and limitations. It's great to hear feedback on what players hope this system will (or will not) be, but it's not really worth it for anyone to spend too much time laying out concerns about details that haven't yet been provided in full.
We are in constant discussion with our developers in order that we compile a comprehensive article of the various item rules, features, and restrictions coming with Transmogrification in patch 4.3. ;)
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"I got this item a long time ago and because I did, I should be unique and special and nobody else should ever be able to get it again".
"I got this item a long time ago and because I did, I should be unique and special and nobody else should ever be able to get it again".
And one of the problems I personally have with anyone who might state this hypothetical, is that I did earn several cool sets back in the day which I'd love to sport once again. But as we didn't plan for this feature all along, I deleted sets I knew I'd never wear for stat benefits in order to save inventory space. I told myself, "yes, you look cool in this, but don't be a pack rat if you're not going to wander around towns in outmoded sets." I wager a lot of long-time WoW players are in the same boat. And a deleted/sold item is only kept in our database logs for so long before the record of one having owned that item is erased.
The majority of the gear sets in this game are still possible to obtain, so that's awesome. To me it's a cool side effect of this feature to encourage people to return to some old places, filled with nostalgia, to collect gear just for the look -- not the power.
There are, however, some sets or items which can no longer be found in the game. So we're keeping track of some of the items and sets players are really wanting to see make a return in some fashion. The Darkmoon Faire revamp in patch 4.3 provides but one new way players can slip into familiar looks from the past. :)
The Trading Card Game Art Gallery has been updated with 10 new pieces. Each image is taken directly from the official World of Warcraft Trading Card Game.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
mainartin Aug 25th 2011 9:19PM
"But don't be fooled into thinking that the content to come is going to be a simple paper cut out puppet show in a cardboard box."
omg, I want the paper cut out puppet show raid now
Knightsword Aug 25th 2011 11:13PM
The only decent part of fable 3 :)
omedon666 Aug 25th 2011 9:55PM
I really wish the "lording over others with my visual trophy of epicness" crowd/ideal would stop gumming up the path to transmogrification. It just looks so immature to put into words, and there's a reason for that.
Yesiamzack Aug 25th 2011 10:04PM
*raises glass to Blizz*
I know we complain a lot, and fret, and raise our fists and drown in pools of tears that there's still no Moose, but in all seriousness, thanks for a freaking amazing game we all...well haven't lived without for the last 6 years.
MusedMoose Aug 25th 2011 10:35PM
Dude, I'm right here. :P
But seriously, I agree with you completely and likewise raise a glass to Blizzard and all its people. It's a tremendous task they do, making a game that not only requires nigh-constant updates but had to keep 11 million people entertained. For all the fun I've had, I am constantly thankful. ^_^
Bellajtok Aug 25th 2011 11:37PM
I do likewise, and they are ever welcome at my feasting table. Here's to a company that requires a fee we can pay and never stops giving in return! To new raids and dungeons, to bug fixes and balancing, to more professions and classes than we could hope to truly play, and to a new Darkmoon Faire! Blizzard, may your devs always be busy, may your loremasters be consistent, and may all you do be appreciated. /salute
jaredwoodie91 Aug 25th 2011 11:21PM
people always complain about how there should always be sole focus on raiding and dungeons, etc. but they really need to get over it. don't get me wrong, mogging will obviously apply to raiders, but it caters to roleplayers and casual players as well. they get to kill deathwing... why are they still complaining?
VioletArrows Aug 26th 2011 12:27AM
Because for every new feature non-raiders get, that's one more dungeon boss they're not getting to stab in the face. Sure there's Deathwing, but they're talking as if they're already H12/12 on Firelands. Though to be fair, seems a lot of folks are tearing their hair out at the two Zuls being the only available Valor dungeons.
That and people will be too busy doing their own thing to worship them.
Fletcher Aug 26th 2011 1:23AM
I have to agree with VioletArrows - making the Zuls and only the Zuls drop 140 VPs meant that nobody would possibly ever run anything else. We're now at the point where Zul gear is largely obsolete - even for non-raiders it will be entirely obsolete come 4.3 - so restricting us to the Zuls - or even to the three 4.3 dungeons - is painful. Just increase the VP given for a random dungeon to 140 across the board, and shove the Zuls and the 4.3s into the regular queue. Use item level checks so that people won't get the Zuls or 4.3s if they're not ready.
Diop Aug 26th 2011 6:10AM
From Patch 2.4 to the release of 3.3, a little over 20 months, not including the sunwell bosses we received 51 bosses so roughly 2.5 bosses a month.
From Patch 3.3 to the release of 4.2, a little over 18 months, not including the ICC bosses we received 22 bosses, just a little over 1 boss a month.
There's a very good reason long term raiders are complaining about a lack of content, and that's because there has been a lack of content. I mean don't get me wrong, Firelands is a fine raid with good bosses but waiting 7 months for 8 bosses is just not enough content, in wrath or TBC in that same time period we could have expected over 14 bosses.
Mjv21 Aug 26th 2011 10:08AM
@Diop You're retarded. Anyone can cherry pick data to suit their argument. The "ICC WAS TOO LONG" ship has sailed. Its over. Get over it. Since the release of Cata, there have been 22 bosses. Why you would pick the release point of 3.3 and then NOT include the ICC bosses is beyond me.
Basically Cata has been out for 9 months, and we have 22 bosses, or about 2.5 a month.
Diop Aug 26th 2011 11:52AM
Leaving aside the pointless personal insult, I chose the time spans that I did to cover the development time for the actual raids, once the raids are actually out aside from tweaks they're no longer developing them, so wrath content was largely developed after sunwell upto the release of 3.3, cataclysm can hardly lay claim to ICC. (It's not as simple as that though as they probably have some design intents laid out well in advance).
Even if I do the figures the same way you do, 9 months into wrath we were on patch 3.2, and had had 38 bosses, almost double what we have had in catas first 9 months.
Now again I do want to say what content we are getting, I am greatly enjoying, there were a lot of good fights in tier 11 and now in tier 12 but moreso than I remember in wows history, I just feel like I've been waiting or farming.
Cobalt Aug 26th 2011 12:14AM
Blizzard probably has separate teams working on different content, of which each group is assigned a specific task from the get-go. Allocation and delegation, how does it work?
Eyhk Aug 26th 2011 12:20AM
It would be funny if they made the "replicas" similar to the fake luxury brands with either comically misspelled or similar but lesser names. The "Almost" Redemption set, the Vestments of "Little" Faith, etc
Crìmson Aug 26th 2011 2:22AM
I'd just like to say, thank you Blizzard. In anticipation of 4.3 i've taken up soloing the frozen halls dungeons for the battered hilt :D, HoR is nigh impossible, but the other two are pretty copacetic. Wish me luck, I wish the same for everyone that is searching for that "one" item they have to have :)
Thorkar Aug 26th 2011 8:27AM
"I've seen a lot of these sorts of overstatements or oversimplifications of the work that we're doing on our end of things and I have to honestly say that it can get a bit tiring to see repeated as fact when it's opinion."
Blizzard: 1 - Trollers: 0
I just love all the work Blizzard puts into WoW. And I loved to see this in a blue post ^^
Go Blizz!