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8-26-2011 @ 9:09AM
In my guild our officers recently went through one of the rogue's specs/rotation/gemming etc to see why he was consistently low on dps - every fight, every week. They reworked his spec/gearing/rotation for him and basically told him he needed to follow it or he'd lose his raid spot. FYI the spec was his original one, but tweaked -it wasn't a brand new spec and his gear was already pretty good. He changed, regemmed, rechanted as well, and his dps shot up. The officers were happy, raid was happy, he was happy - sorted.
8-26-2011 @ 9:36AM
@JayjaySee, that sort of thing takes work - figuring out the gems, enchants and rotation. Someone has to do that work. In your rogue's case that was the officers. Great. So what happens when the next patch drops and changes stat weights and rotation priorities? Your rogue is going to go back to sub-par until the officers invest the time to bring him back up to par, and they're probably going to be handling their own spec tweaks at the same time.Maybe your rogue is a great guy, or married to your healer lead, or something, so that time is worth it to you. But to me, I'd be quietly looking for someone willing to do their own damn work.
8-26-2011 @ 10:55AM
@ Nina KatarinaWhat you said (do their own damn work) is especially true of the class in this example; rogues. For the love of god, the rogue community has the largest set of spreadsheets, simulations, and item comparison tools of them all!All the rogue in question needs to do is go to shadowcraft.mmo-mumble.com and they can coast on the output of a huge community's theory-crafting for free! A bottom-of-the-charts rogue is totally inexcusable. They have so many tools available (both in-game and out) to be putting out huge numbers and to stay alive.If anything, I'd be harder on rogues than any other class if they are not fulfilling their end of the deal; stab it lots until it falls down. They have the least number of excuses. And yes, my main is a rogue.
8-26-2011 @ 11:08AM
@ Nina KatarinaI can't help thinking that the people down-rating your comment aren't getting past the first sentence...
8-26-2011 @ 12:21PM
well lets say your rogue is bis geared, specced and competently played- regardless rogues do significantly worse on heavy target switching fights than many specs (say a warrior or whatever). Before anyone talks about rogue burst being high, that is only when the stars align in pvp, and is not even overly competitive at that. Rogues truly suffer on any fight that doesn't have either 1. two targets close enough to cleave the entire time, or 2. plenty of time to continually stay on major targets without losing poison stacks, combo points, slice and dice, envenom self buff, time away from boss, weird bandit's guile situations etc.But overall, if someone is consistently not performing well on most all fights usually it is time someone stepped in and had a serious talk with them.
8-26-2011 @ 3:00PM
@SgtsquishCorrection: SMF Fury Warriors don't lose a ton of DPS on target swap fights, they still lose DPS as they have to run the eff over there, but without the buildup of Arms (seriously, it's like 14 seconds) and the streaky rage of TG Fury (if I had a dollar for every BT I've missed due to not having the rage on CD I'd have a lifetime subscription to WoW and a new car).The only people that don't lose a ton of DPS on target swap fights are Ranged, as they don't have to move anything other than their mouse hand :p Lazy bastards.
8-26-2011 @ 3:23PM
Had a similar situation when I first did the Alysrazor fight on my Warrior. I'm a tank on him, I've never ever DPS'd as a warrior. I know to use inner rage when I reach 80 and spam heroic strike, but my rotation was crap, and my Raid leader informed me of it (During raid, however it was a similar situation on the other tank as well, so it wasn't calling anyone out) - I was only hitting up to 50k. Up until that moment I didn't realize I had any issue with DPS because to be honest I hadn't really worried about threat much on my tank - but then again I wasn't doing high teir raiding at that time =PLong story short I hit the dummies, (which for a warrior tank I needed to pad 6k dps onto my numbers to account for lack of Vengance and Revenge (Revenge doesn't proc on a dummy...)) and started using Shield Slam every single chance I got. 2 weeks later I'm pushing 110k dps on that fight vs my old 50k (DPS Flasks/Potions/Trinkets help alot too!). The Raid Leader also informed me of an alternet spec which used Incite, which I didn't use ever, while I took his advice I changed it around a bit till I was comfortable and now we are constantly downing Alysrazor! ...now if that friggin' Flame Druid would just die @_@
8-28-2011 @ 9:52PM
@JordonSeriously? 110,000 DPS? You're not a DPSer, you're a God. Best I can do on my Hunter in blues is 12k on a random 5 man, so I cannot say for sure, but I'm going to have to lay down my hand and call you on that.
8-31-2011 @ 12:34PM
@Narlic - the point of our little 'help package' was to get him to consider an opinion OTHER THAN HIS OWN. Next patch if there are changes we expect him to ASK if his dps is pants again as he now knows there are people in guild (or outside it) who can help, and who also notice the numbers he is putting out. Before this he said consistently that his spec and gems etc were 'fine'. Now he knows they weren't fine and has a better understanding of his talents/gems/chants. He's a decent guy, we like him and didn't want to boot him unless he continued to refuse to change.
9-02-2011 @ 1:32PM
@Mike bareOn the Alysrazor fight, there are multiple buffs flying around. 1 of which the tanks usually get which increases their damage on the adds by 11x. World of Logs shows top DPS (tanks) of 170k on this fight.
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