Complement that Naga with a N52 and you won't have to touch the keyboard whilst playing ever again.

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I agree that it is more of a nuisance to be typing while you are in the middle of a quest, or doing something. It is time consuming, a drain on ones own mental being, and unless you are someone who enjoys doing 20 different things at a time, it is frustrating to try resolving one item (be it a quest, reading something on a screen, whatnot) and then having people pop in and out and being expected to say/type something.

One thing I do not notice anyone commenting on (but I do have a beef with), is the 'grats' when people get an achievement. There are so many achievement, and so many of this are silly and minimal (oh, you got your first pet, oh your level 85 toon did all the quests in Duskwood) - BIG DEAL. Those, IMO, are not achieves worthy of any kind of notice from others, except personal goals. They are meaningless, and to have people get upset because they are not being 'gratted' for it, are very insecure and foolish.

You can't, say, finish killing the quest mob (which takes what, no more than 30 seconds at worst?) and THEN say hello?

I can understand if, oh, you say that in large guilds if you wait longer than 10 seconds to say hi, the moment has passed, or maybe in large guilds it gets spammy if you feel the need to say hi to everyone who logs on... But "I can't say hi, because if I take my hands off my mouse the quest mobs will kill me" sounds like a load of BS.

I greet people when I feel like it, and I congratulate people when they get a real achievement. Full on text "Nicely done!" or the like, not the idiotic "gz" that to me is a sign of mental retardation.

And it has to be an achievement.
25 fish? No.
100,000 kills? Yes.
Level < 85? No.
Salty, Chef and other time-consuming achievements you have to work for? Oh yes.
I do hope you see a pattern here.

'Typing' out gz whenever someone gets even the tiniest of 'achievements' is nothing but a blatant display of idiocy, and should be discouraged.

@The Giant

Your one-size-fits-all approach is closer to idiocy than acknowledging every achievement. Every person plays at a different pace, has a different amount of time to play, and finds different things within the game easy or hard, depending on their learning style. Yes, some achievements are more minor than others. It's fine not to say anything, but berating other people for doing so shows callousness. I, personally, am going to acknowledge the time and effort the person put into it. For one player, hitting level 60 on one character might be a bigger deal than someone who has no real responsibilities leveling a whole army of characters to 85 in a few weeks. Yeah okay, maybe 25 fish isn't a big deal. But for new players, who may not know that achievement is there, getting it might feel like a *huge* deal.

Then again, I try to actually get to know the people in my guild so that I know when something is a really big deal and when it's not.

Hi Robin! :)

I just don’t think that the officers need to be chastised for trying to improve the guild (prolly should have mentioned it in the original comment). But I wanted to also note that I’m not a typer, and there’s a very good, in-game reason for it.

As for a solution, now that I’ve had a chance to consider it, maybe the GM needs to ask one of the complaining officers to organize a guild activity. They have some great ideas on that “It came from the blog” article. Have another one of the complainers offer commentary for the activity in guild chat. Keep them busy, and just be sure that they realize that good ideas are good; complaints and whining is pretty useless.

We had a guildie who had an add on that automatically greeted you when you logged in or complimented you on an achievement.

It was hilarious. I was an officer at the time and people complained to me about it. "it's insulting. He can't bother to say it himself." "it's spam" and a ton of others. ( this was within a month of achievements going live).

I talked to him. He thought it was a cute way of letting people know he gave a crap even if he was too busy to type it.

Why do I mention this? Because I guarantee that If someone had this in the guild in the article, those officers would have complained. Some people can't be happy unless they have something to complain about.

Dana, I never berate them for smaller achievements. Hell, I don't berate them for the achievements at all. If anything, it's the -mentality- of having to say 'gz' to every. single. little. achievement. that is the sole source of stupidity here.

Achievements? Quite allright, if you ask me, even though I only congratulate those that have taken some time to complete. It shows not mindless playing for hours, but dedication to decking out your character in some way.
GZing absolutely everything, however? A fine show of monkey sub-routines, trying to be liked by everyone, but failing to see the annoyance of 10 lines of 'gz' for every yellow text in brackets.

Angus> We had a guy that had one of the "hello" addons, didn't last long before he was told to stop it. We are a huge guild and the spam was way too much. Myself, I don't even have it set to notify me when someone comes online, I usually only reply when someone says Hello as they sign on.

We have no problem with the grats macro's, though they can be silly too since folks tend to put long things in, including symbols.

But seriously, people sometimes expect a grats for "shave and a haircut"!

Some people are just needy. :)

it's funny the way I was reading the first few posts and go: hmm I agree, nab I disagree, oh I agree with that but I disagree with this...

without taking sides, I usually say 'hi' unless I'm at a fight or didn't notice-- when I was in a large guild (30 members online was large enough for me) I turned guild notifications off as I didn't want to be bothered with constant relogging, specially during crafting times

having that said, i thing it's stupid to both give gratz to a level up all the time and even more stupid to say "ding level 3!!!" and wait for 25 people to congratulate you .. That counts as spam... Only my 2cents

I know I'll sound like a giant douche, but how slow of a typer are you? It takes maybe half a second to press enter and write "hi" or "gz", and press enter again. Then again I don't know how you play, I use the action bars with the keyboard and move around with the mouse, so typing a few little things isn't that much of a challenge.

As for the topic itself: You just know some people have no problems in their life if this is the biggest wrongdoing they feel they have experienced. I can't be personally arsed to say hi to each and every of the 95 guild members when they log in or ding because then that would be all I were doing.