Gold Capped: Is prospecting still worth it?

The jewelcrafting shuffle used to be an incredibly lucrative way to make money. It was simple: You went to the Auction House, bought out the stock of ore, and then hit your prospecting key as fast as you could. You'd craft what was profitable to craft; you'd vendor the raw gems that weren't otherwise useful. And because the vendor value of the raw gems was almost always more than the value of the Elementium or Obsidium Ore prospected to get those gems, we had a no-lose situation. A jewelcrafter's risk was 0; the profit potential limited only by the amount of time you had to waste doing the "shuffle."
Of course, that was prior to patch 4.2. After the patch, each green gem (for example, Zephyrite) saw its vendor value slashed to a mere 50 silver. The days of the jewelcrafting shuffle were over. But still, the days of profitable jewelcrafting still live on.
This past week, my Gold Capped tag-team partner Basil opined that patch 4.3 will bring epic gems. He's probably right, but that doesn't mean you have to bide your time, stockpiling Pyrite Ore until patch 4.3 to make some serious money as a JC. Let's take a second look at the old jewelcrafting shuffle and see if we can still find profit hiding in the jewelcrafting profession.
The old shuffle
Before we get too deep into today's column, let's take a look at the old shuffle and how it worked. Both then and now, we knew the average prospecting returns for each stack of ore:
- Obsidium Ore prospects to six green-quality gems per stack, and rarely, a blue-quality one.
- Elementium Ore prospects to four green-quality gems per stack and one blue-quality one.
- Pyrite Ore prospects to four green-quality gems, one and one-half blue-quality gems, and eight Volatile Earth.
Of course, when patch 4.2 hit, green-quality gems couldn't be vendored for 9 gold anymore. The floor disappeared, and with it, so too did the halcyon days of the risk-free shuffle. A lot of people simply stopped doing it.
The shuffle still works
Patch 4.2 removed the risk-free element of the shuffle, but it didn't remove the profitability of it. While green gems don't get vendored anymore, they're not worthless. A lot more work is required now; some of the lesser valued gems now need to be crafted instead of vendored to squeeze value out of them. But still, the value is there, even if you have to work harder to realize it.
Carnelians
Then Carnelians (red) were the most valuable of the prospectable greens. They sold for a good chunk of money on the Auction House -- often about 20g on my server. Their most valuable use, however was as reagents. Carnelians would often be sent to an alchemist alt (to make Inferno Rubies), or they'd otherwise craft Carnelian Spikes. The Spikes would then be sent off to be disenchanted into valuable Greater Celestial Essences.
Now Very little has changed aside from the fact that Carnelians -- and their products -- are more valuable. I typically find that creating (and disenchanting) Carnelian Spikes is much more profitable than making Inferno Rubies on a transmute-spec alchemist, but your server may be different. Three Carnelians and three Jeweler's Settings still create a Carnelian Spike, which ultimately disenchants into about two Greater Celestial Essences and one Hypnotic Dust on average. (That doesn't take into account any bonus from the Bountiful Bags guild perk.)
Zephyrite, Jasper, and Nightstone
Then Because Zephyrites (blue), Jaspers (green), and Nightstones (purple) are all required for the jewelcrafter dailies, the best use of these was often to just sell them raw on the Auction House. (Alternatively, many would just vendor Zephyrite when the AH price was near 9 gold.)
Now There are still jewelcrafter dailies, but prices of these gems have diverged greatly. Typically, Nightstones sell the best on the Auction House. They sell for about 13g each on my server, though The Undermine Journal suggests Nightstones typically sell for more on others.
Jasper still sells well on the Auction House too, though generally for less than Nightstones and often less than its old 9 gold price floor. Nowadays, however, I find better returns from crafting and disenchanting Jasper Rings. These disenchant into, on average, about two Hypnotic Dust and 0.5 Lesser Celestial Essence each. Because each Jasper Ring only requires one Jasper and one Jeweler's Setting, I typically find a stronger return from crafting rings than selling raw Jasper once you factor in Bountiful Bags and the value of the occasional blue-quality ring crafted.
Zephyrite? Well, these are absolutely worthless without a vendor floor -- often only around 3 or 4 gold each on the auction house. If you have a huge quantity of these, you are likely best off listing these solely on days when Nibbler! No! is the jewelcrafter daily. If you have a lesser quantity, you may be better off holding on to them to turn them in for dailies yourself.
Alicite and Hessonite
Then Alicite (yellow) and Hessonite (orange) were typically vendored to grab a quick 9 gold each.
Now Obviously, vendoring these is no longer an option. Alicite is still somewhat valuable, however, as a reagent for crafting Alicite Pendants. Like Jasper Rings, these disenchant into about two Hypnotic Dust and 0.5 LCEs on average, though they do require two Alicite to make.
Hessonite, too, can be used as a reagent to create Hessonite Bands. You need two Hessonite and one Jeweler's Setting to make one. You typically get slightly more mats from disenchanting Hessonite Bands than you do from Alicite Pendants and Jasper Rings.
... or, alternatively
As suggested by commenters, it is quite profitable on many servers to just transmute 3 of each kind of green gem using Transmute: Shadowspirit Diamond. Just be careful -- the meta gem market can be easy to saturate.
Doing the math
Looking over the list of green-quality gems, you can really only pick out one real casualty of the vendor price drop -- Zephyrite. All the other gems that were usually sold to vendors can be turned into rings or necklaces that disenchant for mats valued near, at, or above 9 gold. For would-be shufflers, that's good news: Ore is easily as valuable now as it was before to the jewelcrafter, if not more so.
If you're still a bit skittish about returning to the shuffle, you don't have to jump back into the market blindly. There are a few great tools you can use to calculate the profitability of prospecting on your own server:
- The Undermine Journal, of course, is an amazing resource for the jewelcrafter. Simply visit its jewelcrafting-specific page (for your server!) and scroll to the bottom. You'll see a listing of both ore prices and the value of what you can get by prospecting. As of midnight on Aug. 29, 2011, prospecting stacks of Obsidium Ore and Elementium Ore offer a return of about 100% on my server. A lot of work goes into getting value out of your prospects, but the reward is terrific.
- WoW Prospector is another terrific utility site that anyone can use regardless of server. Simply visit the site, plug in the current AH values of the ore and resulting gems, and the site will run a basic calculation to tell you whether prospecting is worth it, and just how profitable prospecting a stack is. (Note: While using the site, enter the value of one piece of ore, not a stack of it.)
To get the absolute top value out of your prospecting, you'll want to pair it up with a synergistic profession -- usually enchanting. If you don't have an enchanter alt, try to hook up with someone from your guild who is. For even further profits, turn those enchanting materials into scrolls that are profitable on your server.
Of course, failing all that, you could still just buy the raw ore and sell the raw gems you get from prospecting it on the Auction House. That's almost never the most profitable way to go, but on most servers, it seems to be a surprisingly profitable road to (modest) riches.
Filed under: Economy, Gold Capped






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Deborah Aug 29th 2011 8:34PM
I just thought of another way they might be giving us epic gems and had to share. They could be giving us a new prism like the http://www.wowhead.com/item=44943 or the http://www.wowhead.com/item=52304.
Cephas Aug 29th 2011 9:29PM
Or they could just add Epic Gems as rare drops from the Fire Prism, since that's pretty much what they did to the Icy Prism in 3.2.
gewalt Aug 30th 2011 9:24AM
I thought for sure epic gems would come from zen'vorka's cache.... alas, they never turned up
ResumeMan Aug 29th 2011 8:36PM
You are leaving out one important use for the green gems: Transmuting into metas. I haven't played in a couple months now, but when I was actively shuffling, I'd turn just about all of my prospected greens into metas, cut and AH.
Creating 2 shadowspirits (Xmute proc aside) requires 3 of each color gem. So on average each 3 stacks of Obsidium would produce 2 gems plus procs (6 gems/stack x 3 stacks = 18 randomly selected gems). At that time the cut metas were easily going for 100g apiece, often much more. So if I could get a stack of ore for around 60g or less, profit!
I'd then hunt the AH for inexpensive Carnelians and transmute those into Infernos. That way, long term you aren't taking all the wheat among the green gems (Carnelian) and getting stuck with the chaff (zephyrite).
Zura Aug 29th 2011 9:29PM
Agreed meta gems is better system. Waay faster than making rings... one craft gets rid of 18 gems at a time. And cut metas go for 250+ each on my realm, so value of each green is 30g or so. This gets rid of disenchanting time and is way easier on bag space. I use leftovers for red, purple, orange rare gem transmutes, jasper rings, and Alicite jewelry. Leftover zephyrite is worthless and rarely sells on my server, so I vendor whatever is leftover after mass meta gem transmute.
Fox Van Allen Aug 29th 2011 9:44PM
Definitely, crafting metas is a good way to go on any server where they're strong sellers (and especially for a transmute spec). I confess a natural lean towards DEing, especially because my main is an enchanted and I routinely turn those GCEs and Hypnotics into high markup scrolls. I also like that GCEs and Hypnotics tend to be easier to sell at extremely large quantities -- they're more liquid a commodity.
zosostone Aug 30th 2011 10:09AM
On my server, metas aren't a great option because, while most of the greens are nigh-worthless, carnelians and nightstones are actually valuable. That really cuts down the profit margin on metas. When you add in that metas are slow to move, it is typically better to transmute or de the greens.
Didax Aug 30th 2011 10:22AM
I suppose it varies wildly depending on your server, but according to the Obsidementium Shuffle spreadsheet I made (as well as tons of anecdotal evidence), making metas is the LEAST profitable way to use my gems.
Even if my inferno rubies were only selling for 100g a piece, I would have to sell meta gems at 300g+ to match the profitability of the other options.
Also, once again, curse you "Gold Capped" for reviving interest in my primary gold making market.
Oh wait...I mean....yes....you should totally continue making meta gems ~_~.
HellShogun Aug 29th 2011 9:03PM
The way I do it is pretty simple. Buy ore (both elementium and obsidium) and embersilk cloth when they're cheap. Craft the rings, amulets and fist weapon, disenchant those. Use the enchanting mats to make both enchants (Enchant Cloak - Greater Intellect sometime goes for 800g on my server) and bags.
Even on slow days I usually get double what I've spent.
Brouck Aug 29th 2011 9:27PM
I suggest doing the shuffle, especially if you have an enchanter, bountiful bags and a transmute spec alchy. Typically I, transmute carnellian to inferno's since GCE aren't affected by bountiful bags. Then for Alicite, Nightstone, Jasper and Hessonite, I craft the jewelry and D/E. Especially the blues which often don't sell on AH anymore. Heavenly Shards go for more than Maelstroms on some servers. Zephyrite, I keep a stack for myself and vendor the rest, you'll never sell a bunch on the AH since there are many others doing the same thing, you'll actually lose more on your deposit fees than what you sell. At this point you can choose one of two paths, A) make scrolls and sell them on AH B) sell off mats on AH. I choose path B as it results in quicker gold.
obsidementium Aug 30th 2011 10:29AM
This, as with all economy related comments will vary from server to server, but for me, it is never a good idea to D/E the random blues.
I can only get a maximum of 50g - 60g in revenue from the shards received from D/Eing the blues. Even on my low popluation server the blue-quality rings and necklaces will sell for ~100-150g a piece.
They sell slowly, but I can wait for 65% - 300% more revenue.
Leviathan Aug 29th 2011 9:40PM
I just wish I could find a mod or similar to help out with the Disenchanting side of the process. I stopped doing the shuffle because it was such a pain in the rear to have to manually click every one of the several hundred items I'd made to disenchant them :(
jdhorner Aug 29th 2011 10:08PM
If Enchantrix (part of the Auctioneer Advanced suite) is still around, you can configure it to auto-disenchant all items by quality-level. (e.g. you can set it to all greens and blues in your bag, on your DE alt). Then, all you have to do is turn on auto-loot, and you have a one-click-per-item solution. It's not perfect, but it make it much faster and easier.
djtsanderson Aug 29th 2011 10:12PM
I did try Enchantrix, but I couldn't figure out how to set it properly, in spite of using the instructions from two forums and the website...
Cambro Aug 30th 2011 1:04AM
It works out of the box for me. Type /enchantrix config, then on the window that pops up, click Automation on the left, then check the first box to watch your bags and auto-disenchant anything that's in there. (it's marked with "USE WITH CARE").
It's not fully automated; it pops up a window for each piece of gear asking if you want to DE it Yes | No | Ignore. No = it will ask you every time you log in. Ignore = it won't ask you again unless you manually remove it from the Enchantrix list.
I have not been able to find a way to keybind or macro or otherwise make this completely automated, and I suspect that's Blizzard's intention. So you still have to babysit it and click the button yourself (yes...yes...yes...yes...) but 90% of the disenchanting is automated.
Pfooti Aug 30th 2011 2:32AM
I use panda to disenchant stuff. You still have to click (probably not much of a way around that), but it's not too bad when everything is queued up- you can watch TV as long as you click in the same spot with the right rhythm.
obsidementium Aug 30th 2011 10:34AM
From "Druibarth" from wowhead.com
/cast Disenchant
/use item:52306
/use item:52307
/use item:52308
/use item:52309
/use item:52492
This macro will disenchant the GREEN quality Jasper Ring, Alicite Pendant, Hessonite Band, Carnelian Spikes, and Nighstone Chokers....set auto-loot on, keybind this to a number key and spam away while watching T.V.
If you want to do the BLUE quality items as well use this one from Hyenen also on wowhead.com:
/cast Disenchant
/use item:52306
/use item:52307
/use item:52308
/use item:52309
/use item:52492
/use item:52310
/use item:52312
/use item:52316
/use item:52314
shadowhowl1900 Aug 29th 2011 10:52PM
so i tried the undermine journal but couldnt figure out the bottom part.
how do i know when it is profitable vs non-profitable for prospecting
Cambro Aug 30th 2011 1:22AM
I don't use Undermine (but I've started looking at it lately), but the way I figure it, I will buy elementium ore if it's 35 gold per stack or less, maybe go a little higher. If you have the worst luck in the world, you'll only get 4 low quality gems. If all 4 of those are alicite, then if you auction them uncut, you'll probably make 15-18 gold at the most, so that's kind of a gamble. However, that's the worst case scenario. Generally you can expect to get at least 5-6 low quality and 1-2 rares from a stack of 20. Plus my guild has the Bountiful Bags perk, so I get a lot more.
I do the carnelians->spikes->greater celestial essences, and again with Bountiful Bags, I get more essences, which sell for 65-90g each. Another big money maker is inferno rubies. I never sell uncut, I always cut them into bold, brilliant, or delicate, and if I list later in the afternoon or evening, I can get 135+ per cut gem. That one gem is worth 3 stacks of elementium ore.
There are about 7-8 other popular rare cuts I do that are fairly reliable, but nowhere near as lucrative. Still, any cut gem that sells for 35+ has paid for the ore I prospected it from. Really, I make a profit as long as I sell every rare gem (cut or uncut) for more than 15g. Low qualities I sell according to the market: make jewelry and DE, or sell for the JC daily. Low quality and hypnotic dust have both kinda bottomed out on my server though, so I'm sitting uncomfortably on a stockpile I'm not sure what to do with.
Lemons Aug 30th 2011 2:27AM
"create a Carnelian Spike, which ultimately disenchants into about two Greater Celestial Essences and one Hypnotic Dust"
What!? How does a level 81 green average out to 2 GREATER Celestial Essence and one dust? Maybe you mean Lesser Celestial Essence?