Officers' Quarters: Downsized

Every Monday, Scott Andrews contributes Officers' Quarters, a column about the ins and outs of guild leadership. He is the author of The Guild Leader's Handbook, available now from No Starch Press.
Word went around this week that one of my server's long-time 25-man guilds would be switching to the 10-man format. It's a phenomenon that has become more common recently. For many guilds, fielding the number of quality raiders needed for the larger size has grown more difficult over the past few months.
Part of the reason is likely the drop in attendance during summer. Some of it could be the game's declining subscription numbers. We also can't ignore the fact that 10-man versions of Firelands bosses are, in most cases, significantly easier to beat.
This week's email comes from a player whose guild has also made this decision. In the process, he's found himself without a slot.
Hello Scott,
I am a raider in a casual/raiding guild with a bit of a problem . . . I joined this guild after running with a couple of it's members in my first pug once I hit 85. Things were really quite amazing at first, the guild runs were so well run and actually fun, which was something I rarely experienced during ICC. I was usually in the top 3 in damage on most bosses, knew my role, never had any issues with other raiders, always showed up prepared and did what I could to help the guild. Then my problem arose.
One night during a raid, I got a call that a relative was in poor health. When the raid ended, I whispered the raid lead that I may not be on the next week. The relative passed away.
My in-game problem arose when I logged in for a minute that first week and found an in-game mail from an officer admonishing me for not accepting/declining for raid on the calendar and asking "if I didn't want to raid, what the hell was I doing in the guild?"
As you can imagine I was shocked, saddened and more than a bit pissed-off reading it. After taking a minute to make sure I didn't say anything I'd regret, I whispered the officer asking why he sent the message. He said "to get me to raid" (at this point I'd missed 1 raid and had been on for probably 15 straight prior). I told him I'd messaged the raid lead about it and informed him why I hadn't been around to elaborate on when I'd be back. I told him that the in-game mail was out of line and got an apology from him. I then suggested re-thinking the wording in the future.Hi, Disappointed. I see two issues here. First, you're still aggravated by the officer's mail. I think you need to let it go. He clearly didn't know the reason why you missed the raid, or he never would have been so harsh.
So now, even though this had been a great guild to run with, my thoughts towards it are somewhat soured. Then to top it off, while I'm gone the guild decides to focus on 10's . . . I now find myself a "standby" raider since they'd formed the new core-10 while I was gone. My question is twofold.
1) Am I wrong to still be perturbed with the guild officers or was their handling of the situation as crappy as I thought it was?
2) Do I stick around and see if things improve and I get back into raids or do I move on? While I was still able to run a BWD pug this week, I don't want to just be able to run T11 content forever.
Interested on your take on this,
Disappointed
The mail issue
Was his mail insensitive? Yes. Was it unwarranted, given that you'd only missed one raid? Probably. Consider yourself fortunate, however, that the officers are so proactive about attendance. It makes a big difference in the long run that attendance is expected and absences are noted, particularly toward the end of each tier when so many players are burned out on the content.
To me, it's not worth carrying a grudge over. He did, after all, apologize.
The real problem is the lack of communication among the officers. Clearly the raid leader didn't pass along the message. That is an issue the officers need to address for the future. A simple forum post could have let everyone know what was up with you.
The raiding issue
The second issue is of course the decision to run 10-man raids from this point forward. My recommendation is to speak with the raid leader about this. Ask him if any player rotations are planned or if they are just going to bring the same people each week.
If it's the former, then you should get a fair shot at going to raids at least some of the time. If it's the latter, then that's probably a mistake on their part, because people like you who are left out in the cold are going to quit the guild. Then when one of the core team members drops out or no-shows, they'll be screwed because they won't have anyone to replace that player.
It's not fair to make people sit on standby every week in the event that one of the "full-time" raid members can't make it. There has to be some kind of consideration or rotation in place. Based on how your raid leader plans to deal with this issue, you'll know whether it's worth sticking around or not.
The only other solution would be to ask the officers if you can start up a second raid group. It could even be a partial alt run with players from the other raid. Of course, you or someone else in the guild must be willing to schedule, organize, and lead those raids.
In the end, if you do decide to quit, quit because they aren't offering you the opportunity to raid, not because of an unfortunate misunderstanding.
/salute
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
threesixteen Aug 29th 2011 5:11PM
and i quote: "We also can't ignore the fact that 10-man versions of Firelands bosses are, in most cases, significantly easier to beat."
this article is wonderful. many, many months ago i was flamed incessantly for stating the obvious fact that 10s are easier in all aspects than 25s. 25 raids are the ultimate expression of the MMO in WoW, but sadly, the change to the shared lockout coupled with the fact that there isn't any discerning mark for 25 man teams (ie: achieve, better loot etc) sounded the 25s death knell from the moment of cata's release.
nice to finally see recognition of my statement from months back. hopefully all the trolls will now submit their apologies to me with as much vigour as they launched their attacks. this means you krotzer and cutaia, among others.
victory!
kingoomieiii Aug 29th 2011 5:30PM
-All world firsts are still fought for in 25M mode
-Top guilds don't care about 10m
-"Deathknell for 25m"
Hahahaha
Also,
-Asking for an apology on a semi-anonymous internet forum about a videogame
HAHAHAHAHA
Yojîmbo Aug 29th 2011 5:32PM
Dude, you really need to get a life.
(cutaia) Aug 29th 2011 5:51PM
I actually had no idea what you were talking about, until I did some googling to figure it out. I found this thread, where you actually THANKED me for sticking with it and contributing to the discussion: http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/03/02/the-queue-common-patch-4-1-ques tions/comments/33281713/
Apparently 5 months later, you've decided that a statement that FIRELANDS bosses are easier in 10-man, proves that a discussion about TIER 11 bosses makes me a "troll" who "attacked" you.
And now you would like an apology?
matthewggrammer Aug 29th 2011 5:55PM
ha. owned the the nth degree.
Bellajtok Aug 29th 2011 6:06PM
Cutaia, I hereby bestow upon you all
Bellajtok Aug 29th 2011 6:07PM
Cutaia, I hereby bestow upon you all of my internets for that display of unmitigated win.
Bellajtok Aug 29th 2011 6:09PM
Dammit comment system. Kill the spare.
Matthew Aug 29th 2011 6:32PM
I've never seen (cutaia) get that angry before!
/scared
Arrohon Aug 29th 2011 8:06PM
You must not follow him on Twitter lol
Spellotape Aug 29th 2011 10:45PM
Thank you for derailing this article by making it about yourself and other random people - it was great reading your self-importance and everyone else's vitriol ... except not. Please learn a lesson from your downranking.
Tdog Aug 30th 2011 12:34AM
Sic em, (cutaia)
Chrysaora Aug 30th 2011 9:11AM
Well having raided with 316 and knowing him pretty well in game, I'd say everyone needs to calm down. Our server went through a really bad time during t11 and is still recovering. I can see why he would be so passionate about 10's vs 25's. Blizzard has essentially killed what we loved and enjoyed. Very few people have the urge to run 25s anymore. although, 316 and my old guild have since moved on and continue to prosper elsewhere, I decided to stay on my home server. I do wish them the best and hope they can continue to breed the almost extinct animal that is 25s.
Matt Aug 30th 2011 4:09PM
I'd also like to point out that there are loads of people who prefer 10's. To these people, knowing that they can raid the same content as larger guilds is refreshing.
I'd also like to point out that mostly in Europe and America are 25's viewed as the only "high end" way to raid. In Korea, 10 mans are where the hot competition is at, and 25's are relatively ignored. It's all a matter of preference - and the precedence that European players set tends to translate over into the America's more so than precedence set elsewhere.
Parrin Aug 29th 2011 5:23PM
First, I’d like to express condolences to Disappointed. It’s always difficult to deal with the loss of someone in your family.
My experience is that these tragedies almost always affect something else, indirectly. Whether it’s your lawn or house falling apart because your mind is not as focused on keeping things up, or a lost opportunity at work because you aren’t available to invest the extra time.
Sometimes, you need to make a change when the world (of warcraft) seems to have it out for you. I think a guild switch could be perfect under these circumstances. Plus, PUGing raids is perfectly acceptable, even for guild runs. Whisper some of your old guild friends that are also left out, and see if they would like to participate with your new guild.
If all else fails, SWTOR has open beta weekends in September.
WeWhoEat Aug 29th 2011 5:36PM
Except that the conclusion that "in most cases significantly easier to beat" _can not_ be reached from that article. First of all they say that for four of the 7 bosses is pretty much a wash and in only 3 they've mentioned significant differences. The main difference between 25 man and 10 man difficulty has nothing to do with the encounter (directly), its that its much harder to find 25 consistant raiders that don't wipe the raid and have decent DPS than it is to find 10. When you have encounter designs that have personal failures wipe raids, then its much harder to get 25 people to not make a mistake than 10, and many if not most 25 man raiding guilds have to field scrubs just to meet the roster.
If 25 man raiding is dead, its dead because the hassles of keeping a healthy 25man raid are too overbearing for raid leaders to shoulder.
(cutaia) Aug 29th 2011 5:59PM
Yeah, I noticed that too. While the link says "significantly easier" the article linked to, has some different wording.
Beth'tilac: "very similar to 25"
Alysrazor: "a bit easier"
Lord Rhyolith: "Not really any major differences here"
Shannox: "More or less the same encounter"
Three bosses, they discussed being easier in 10-man, but here's something interesting to note:
Majordomo Staghelm: "The biggest problem though is that the boss has way too little health." This was written on July 25th about the 10-man version.
This, then, is from the hotfix notes from July 26th: "Fandral’s health has been reduced on 25-player Heroic difficulty."
Succulent Aug 29th 2011 6:35PM
Significantly easier is certainly the incorrect wording and while undoubtedly make this entire article comment section be about that statement.
As Cutaia said, it's not even what the article suggests.
Jaq Aug 29th 2011 6:29PM
Wait, hold it.
Someone in your guild treated you like crap about your position in a raid in a GAME at a time when a relative died and you didn't gquit on the spot?
I'd have been right out the door myself. Real life > raids.
Kallix Aug 29th 2011 7:15PM
Bear in mind that the officer didn't know about the real life situation, he was mailing after someone didn't attend a raid. It's true that the offficer shouldn't have been harsh when he didn't know the circumstances at all, but remember that officers have to put up with a lot of bullshit excuses. The fact that he apologised once he found out what had happened to me shows he just got annoyed at something and didn't realise he was being harsh to someone who had a genuine excuse.
Also, please don't point out the fact that this is a game and make it seem like that makes it completely unimportant. If you don't show up for a 25 man raid, and because of that it doesn't go ahead, you're not hurting the GAME you're hurting the 24 other REAL people who wanted to raid but couldn't because of you. It's completely right that he took time off raids after what happened in real life, its not OK to say that the game isn't important because its just a game - there are other real people playing it too.