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9-03-2011 @ 8:10PM
I think one of the things that a lot of people are forgetting is why this change originally happened. It wasn't just the idea of blizzard to make tanking easy, they have said it is the precursor to a large paradigm shift when it comes to tanking. In 4.3, or perhaps even sooner, tank mechanics of all sorts are supposed to get massive overhaul to a more active, engaging style. We'll see how it turns out in the end, but I'm expecting this to be a positive change.
9-03-2011 @ 8:19PM
Well some of the stuff I just don't understand. Threat should be the same for everyone. When I am on my mage or priest often times 1-2 spells take aggro away from the person I am questing with. Granted, they are not a tank but still. This is a warror and an enhance shaman I am stealing aggro from. And I know how much threat an enhance shaman puts out because I play one of those too. Hopefully with 4.3 this all balances out. I tank on a couple of my toons as well and it can be annoying sometimes.
9-03-2011 @ 8:33PM
Noyou, threat is already the same for all damage, except for damage from a tank in "tanking stance". 1 damage = 1 Threat for everyone not in "tanking stance". Before the change (tempted to call it a nerf, because without the changes to other tank mechanics, I feel less engaged on my tank), 1 "tanking stance" damage = 3 threat. Post change, 1 "tanking stance" damage = 5 threat. 110% of current aggro target's threat while standing in melee = you now have a mob wailing on you. 130% of current aggro target's threat while standing at range (approx 20 game yards+) = Mob starts running at youSo in other words, you pulled aggro from your questing partner because you did more damage to the mob. It is quite literally that simple.
9-04-2011 @ 1:22AM
Hmmm can this be confirmed to be the actual way that threat is calculated for all non tanking specs? To me that would seem to indicate that the threat meter should mirror a damage done meter, barring any threat dumps being used. However in my experience on my boomkin it does not matter if I am at the top of the damage meter or at the bottom, I am almost always the first one on the threat meter after the tanks. And this is not just being reported by my own meter but by the rest of the raid as well. And I have known many people to share the belief that boomkins, and also kitties, to run higher on threat compared to their damage than most specs. Am I just wrong here? Why is my threat so much higher than others doing more damage? And yes I have confirmed that the other DPSers did not use threat lowering methods in order to be below me.
9-04-2011 @ 7:52AM
@RobareI can think of Rogues as an example of a pure DPS class that has passive threat reduction. This may be true of other classes, I'd need to do some digging to confirm this. What you may be missing however in the case of rogues and hunters especially is the fact that they both have a way to pass their threat to the tank which isn't so much a means of dumping aggro as they don't have it in the first place, (think misdirect).
9-04-2011 @ 1:30PM
I thought they removed the old rogue passive threat reduction with 4.0. Regardless, some specs do have some built-in threat reduction; elemental shaman, for example, generate no threat from mastery procs because back in the day when threat was a much, much, larger concern extra lightning bolts that you couldn't control would push you past the tank, and shortly thereafter, face-first into the floor.
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