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9-06-2011 @ 9:33AM
I skimmed it yesterday. Still can't really stand Knaak's writing style.Also can't say I like the idea of heavily associating a supernatural wolf god with Varian -- it was fine when the Horde gave him that nickname because of his fighting prowess in the arena, but I really don't see the need in making it a literal bond with the Ancient. What's wrong with him just being an exceptionally skilled human?And that's another thing that sort of bugs me: associating wolves with the Alliance. Lo'Gosh was basically adopted as the patron saint of the orcs, according to Runetotem in the comic. Wolves are a major visual element of the Horde and are the orc's favored companions and mounts.We'll see how it shakes out, I guess, but I've never been able to get into any of Knaak's stories.
9-06-2011 @ 10:41AM
Despite Orcs riding wolves, having wolves all over their crap,summoning wolf spirits, having a wolf spirit as one of their corespiritual deity-types, possibly actually introducing dire wolves toAzeroth, having a tribe named after wolves, having that spiky omega thing being all that's stopping them putting wolves on their flags and being, on the whole, really really into wolves, Varian is gonna now be the Wolf Guy with pages about how in tune he is with wolves.
9-06-2011 @ 10:43AM
...but at the same time, the Alliance literally has playable human wolves. Don't know who could have a stronger connection to Goldrinn than the Gilneans.
9-06-2011 @ 10:50AM
Also, while Daniel pointed out that the Orc in the vision wielded two axes and probably wasn't Garrosh, it's worth pointing out that the Human in the vision had a single Greatsword...and Varian dual-wields.
9-06-2011 @ 10:57AM
Here's a more likely NPC who both uses Warrior-like abilities and wields a single two-handed sword. ;)http://www.wowhead.com/npc=45253
9-06-2011 @ 12:00PM
The Alliance would be a whole lot cooler if it were led by a Worgen. ;)
9-06-2011 @ 12:03PM
Varian has a single sword that can turn in two, but he uses a 2h sword now...
9-06-2011 @ 12:25PM
I'm going to be frank:Consider the Horde more or less stole High Elves (in the form of Blood Elves), and has gotten a huge chunk of Paladins and Dalaran Mages, I can't feel too guilty about the Alliance getting a slice of the wolves.
9-06-2011 @ 12:26PM
Ah damn, he does use a single weapon now.From the looks of things, it looks like a one-hander (see screenshot below). It's large enough that it might still be called a "greatsword", though.http://static.wowhead.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/235013.jpg
9-06-2011 @ 2:17PM
Varian has a single sword called Shalamayne, although it was formed by the merging of two swords from two Varians in the comic. Him having two swords in Wrath was a continuity error, which was later corrected.
9-06-2011 @ 2:57PM
@DanielYou can take the Elves back... we don't want them. :PSigned, an Orc
9-06-2011 @ 3:06PM
Ah, "...stole High Elves," you say?More like, "welcomed into the Horde with open arms after the Alliance drove them away," if you ask me. And the Alliance now has plenty of shamans, of course.Hmm, perhaps we'll see Garrosh become the Lion of Kalimdor. That might be a fair trade off?
9-07-2011 @ 1:13AM
Murdertime:Well right now it seems like the Orcs, especially under Garrosh's leadership, are more in tune with locusts then wolves the way they're ravaging the land for its resources. Also, Goldrinn specifically refers to the Worgen as his children in the Mt Hyjal quest line. Considering many of his children are Druids who's primary duty is to protect nature from beings like the Orcs it seems like the Alliance may be more worthy of Goldrinn's favor.
9-06-2011 @ 11:06PM
@DanielWhat Oteo said.Signed, The Troll
9-07-2011 @ 2:37AM
@SuzakuWhile I think the Blood Elves leaving the Alliance was a LOT more complicated than "The Alliance betrayed them," that's not the point. The point is not HOW Blizzard justified handing High Elven Rangers and High Elves in general to the Horde, the point is that they did. That whole theme is now almost exclusively Horde in game.Also, the Shaman thing isn't about a class, it's about a feeling. Paladins were a cultural touchstone of the Alliance, and even before the Horde got playable Paladins, they got the Argent Dawn, which basically took the themes of the Paladin class and made them "neutral." In the meantime, most Alliance-aligned Paladins were Class Trainers and nothing more. Any Alliance-aligned Paladin Quest-givers or front line fighting NPCs were generally generic and did not take advantage of any real Paladin flavor or class lore.In the meantime, Shamans were woven very intimately into Horde lore and questing. You couldn't go two quest hubs in Kalimdor without assisting Shamans in rituals in Vanilla WoW. Even with the Alliance got Shamans in BC, we got little more than token Shaman NPCs, primarily on the same level as Alliance Paladin NPCs. Hell, Horde Blood Elf Paladins and Tauren Sunwalkers are two very distinct, very flavorful non-AD versions of Paladins that the Alliance doesn't get. Alliance got one very minor Neutral Shaman quest hub in BC, and a few scattered Draenei Shaman quests that probably could have just as easily in Wrath. In Cataclysm, we finally get the "neutral" Earthen Ring. Which is still strong Horde dominated, and lead by Thrall, who lives eats and breathes "For the Horde" even as he claims to be neutral. So. No. I don't think Shamans are on the same level as Paladins on the level of cross-faction contamination.Again, it's not about the story of how those symbols got stolen by the Horde, it's that the story allowed the Horde to steal them at all.
9-07-2011 @ 8:31AM
Technically, Thrall does not lead the Earthen Ring, though it's hard to tell from an in-game perspective. He's also probably the most neutral racial leader in the game, apart from Malfurion, and neither of them should really even be considered racial leaders at this point in time.The Argent Dawn was a neutral faction of paladins (formerly Alliance exclusive) led by a human. The Earthen Ring is a neutral faction of shamans (formerly Horde exclusive) whose most prominent member is an orc.That strikes me as a pretty fair exchange.I'd also argue that the Broken, and the Wildhammer clan shamans are both pretty unique touches for the Alliance, at least as unique as the Blood Knights and Sunwalkers (I certainly wish they were playable). And apart from the Blood Knights and Sunwalkers being the Horde equivalents of the Silver Hand and Hand of Argus, they're really not featured very prominently in any of the game's storylines.In the end, the lack of class-driven stories is more a symptom of Blizzard being unwilling to implement class-specific quests, than it is the result of Blizzard 'handing' things to one faction or the other.Also, if you want to jump back further to the pre-WC3 era, you also have warlocks and death knights as iconic Horde classes (the latter a direct parallel to the Alliance paladins), though they both clash with its present-day incarnation. There are also unfortunately no prominent warlocks in the lore, and of course death knights were hijacked by the Scourge before becoming neutral/Alliance/Horde.As for high elves and elves rangers -- that's the nature of political and military alliances, even in fiction. The Alliance got night elves as a sort of trade off, and the night elves were as much an independant faction before the start of WoW as the blood elves were.And I think most people would agree that the night elves have grown less interesting by the association, as they've transitioned from a fairly militant, savage race of Amazonian warrior women and noble druidic men, to a bunch of 'hippy tree huggers'. Certainly Knaak is at least partially to blame for that change in tone, as well, bringing the conversation full circle.I just hope he handles Maiev well, she was by far my favorite WC3 hero.
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