Yeah, was just talking with some friends in game, it's a bit depressing. And we're not super progression either, but I just feel it's a bit unnecessary. It's like all we have to do is just wait it out and we get everything handed to us. :(

Waiting it out is the key. If you wait long enough, everything becomes easy. If you choose to wait for the nerfs, then the players that aren't waiting for them are gearing up faster and progressing more than the ones that are.

i'm in favor of the nerfs, because this way when 4.3 drops my guild will have a good chance of jumping straight in instead of waiting around and gearing up in FL more.

Personally, I think heroic content should be left as is. Nerf regular content so more people can experience it, sure. But leave heroics alone so that the people who want to experience the challenge can. This would please both casual and hardcore raiders on both sides imo.

They're doing it to get players like me to come back. The problem is it's not the raiding difficulty...it's the raiding. It's the only option on the plate if you want to get anywhere in PvE. And I'm not interested. Give me something meaningful to do other than raiding and I might reconsider Blizz.

I think they should nerf Firelands, just do it when the next tier comes out like they did with tier 11 content. Makes the most sense to me personally.

Zodiac, if they nerf normal modes and leave heroic mode alone, heroic will be much more difficult to attempt by those people that want to attempt the content but either don't quite have the skill or the opportunity. As is, heroic modes are enough of a challenge for the more skilled players that they will get bored of them before 4.3 comes out so whether they're nerfed or not is irrelevant to that set of players.

In my own guild, we've been having trouble this expansion with scheduling issues, such that getting enough of the geared/skilled people online at the same time for Firelands has been a challenge, and some weeks even a 4.0 raid night gets a little iffy. Nerfing the raids (normal or heroic) gives us more of an opportunity to see that content, as well as more opportunity to farm them as we're able, so that we can at least keep up with the content. In some situations, the lack of nerfing the older content would inherently lock a lot of people out of the newer content; the gap between them gets wider and wider, making the final content practically undoable until the next expansion.

Sure, it's great to have really challenging content, but if circumstances don't allow it, at least Blizzard has made it so you can at least get in before the expansion ends and kill the boss you paid to kill.

You have to realize that this tier is going to be shorter in nature anyways. So will 4.3's length. That's why they're doing it this way. It does make a lot of sense.

Perhaps they need to Nerf normals, and then Nerf hc to a lesser extent, maybe progressively getting less nerfed the deeper in you go, up to not nerfed at all for ragnaros.
I know that for some reason, our guild can easily handle normal content, but when it comes to hc we just can't seem to grasp it, even T11 so a Nerf to the earlier bosses would give guilds a good foot holding in the realm of heroic raids

@Mitch

The reason why your guild can't handle even T11 heroics is because T11 heroics remained untouched by the 20% nerf. The skill requirement gap became immensely vast after the 4.2 nerf, while an infinite number of monkeys with an infinite number of computers could farm an infinite number of T11 helm tokens, even heroic halfus is harder than many of the bosses in normal firelands. And because the loot is by and large inferior to normal firelands loot, the risk/reward for T11 heroic content isn't there for most guilds.

I'm really disappointed in this. My guild is very small (as in we only have 8 raiders small) and only raids one night a week, and last week was our first time into Firelands. We were really looking forward to having a few weeks to work on the current content at the normal difficulty level before patch 4.3 came out since we didn't get into T11 raids before their nerf. Now all we have is this week's raid before nerfs, and we obviously won't clear the entire raid our second time into it. They say this is a "heads up," but it's not much of one. If we had known they would be applying nerfs earlier than they did for the previous tier sooner, we would have gone into Firelands much more quickly.