The Queue: Now that's dangerous!
by Michael Sacco 
Sep 18th 2011 at 12:00PM
The fists of a Dark Karate master ... the legs of the fastest demon in the Netherworld ... and other parts.
antieuclid asked:
I recently leveled a warrior through BC and Wrath, and ran into a lot of quests offering Agility plate as rewards. I'm assuming these are leftovers from some stat conversion during Cata, but it made me wonder: are there any plate wearers who would want Agility?
No. I believe agility still gives a boost to attack power and a small amount of crit, even for plate wearers, but strength is still a far superior stat. Any plate with agility is a relic from ages past, best eschewed as soon as possible.
Denaar asked:
Is it just me, or did the Paladin sets after the first 3 or 4 start looking a LOT less "Paladin-y" and more "let's just pile stuff on the armor?" I would really like to see something much more "knightly" than what's been coming out recently.
This is something that comes up a lot, but not just for paladins. Generally, when examining tier sets, people tend to look for something that they consider to be the most important element of their class. For example, the people who complained that rogue tier 11 wasn't "stealthy" enough neglected to remember that rogues can also be agile swashbucklers, but that's because they consider stealthiness and sneakiness and assassination to the be the most important part of the rogue class. This happens with paladin sets too, where people will focus on the holy portion of the class instead of the stalwart or pure or any other aspect. The bottom line is that generally Blizzard understands its own classes, and you'll generally see what you want to see in tier armor.
neder asked:
How safe is to assume that t12 sets will be available for JP and t13 and new stuff remains for VP? Shall I be VP capped on the start of 4.3?
You won't have any VPs at the beginning of 4.3, since it'll be down-converting to JPs, but yes, tier 12 will be available for purchase with JPs. Unless Blizzard changes its methodology, though, it'll probably (annoyingly) only make three pieces of the set available on the JP vendor.
Whig asked:
So was that Escapist interview just a fake? It hasn't reappeared and none of the info has been released elsewhere.
I thought the idea of a legendary rogue dagger was a little strange, but the thing I found really hard to swallow was that there was going to be an entirely new tier of raid (complete with a new tier of gear) for the LFRaid feature. Seemed like a lot of work for not much payoff.
So any idea if that was a real interview?
The Escapist is a pretty trusted site. The interview may have accidentally been published early, but I'll bet you dollars to donuts that it was real.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 8)
Ragnuk Sep 18th 2011 12:06PM
Rogue dagger pff. It's clearly a hunter weapon.
relmatos Sep 18th 2011 12:51PM
Damn.
Dor a second while reading the question I thought it was all a lie and that blizzard had the sense to finally give a legendary weapon to enhancement shaman and that the LFR feature wouldnt be something useless like it seems it's going to be.
Then the answer broke my hope :(
ugoticedbro Sep 18th 2011 1:41PM
Clearly if they only want 2 specs using it they could have made it a mace or axe and let enhance shamans use it along with combat rogues. At least then it's 2 classes too... :/
Boobah Sep 18th 2011 1:46PM
I've said it before and I'll probably find myself saying it again, but enhancement shamans already had a legendary; the original legendary, Sulfuras, was an enhancement weapon. It's true that these days the stats are all wrong and it's not even the right kind of weapon, but that's because the class changed.
Oh, and unless you were filling a 'warm body' slot, a shaman was generally stuck rolling resto during Molten Core, but that's not really much different from a tankadin complaining about a lack of legendaries.
Diop Sep 18th 2011 2:23PM
The question of "which classes have had legendaries and when?" is generally skewered to best serve the person's own needs. Tanks claim they've never had a legendary and that Thunderfury is a Rogue weapon despite the fact that most of them ended in the hands of tanks. The other claim is that TF was a warrior only tanking weapon and druids and paladins deserve one, but back then almost all tanks were warriors so you could argue that almost all tanks had a shot at it.
Similarly Enhancement Shamans say they've never had one because Sulfuras doesn't fit with our current 2 weapon set up, but it was viable back then, of course the other argument is almost no shaman got them as they went to classes that could make better use of them (the only reason it's so prolific is the pvp videos of the few Shaman that did get them absolutely blowing everyone up in pvp).
I have seen a few assassination Rogues recently say they've not had any legendaries, and Shamans have had 2 of the last 3, but this is a little disingenuous since 99.99% of all Rogues would respec between combat and assassination to use a legendary (I certainly don't remember many Rogues refusing to take warglaives because they were assassination, whereas I doubt many Enhancement Shamans have gone ele or resto just to try and take a legendary (I doubt many would be allowed to!))
Anyway I guess my point is arguments can be made both ways for most things and you just have to accept Blizzard are going to do what Blizzard are going to do. Eventually you'll hopefully get a shot at a legendary but until then you'll have to just keep blowing dragons up with epics.
relmatos Sep 18th 2011 2:34PM
The point is that blizzard has been making items good to more than one class and suddenly they announce a weapon that only 1 class will want to use. It isnt difficult to make a weapon that at least both classes can use considering that they decided to give Axes to rogues. They could even make it so that any Agility class could use it by giving a player the choice at the end of the quest chain. Dagger for rogues, staff for druids and hunters and fist weapon for shaman.
Giving it to just 1 class is just stupid. Especially considering that they have a set of the most attention grabing legendary weapons available in the game.
And now, regarding Sulfuras, it's true that shaman can use them. But since shaman now dual-wield, it really doesnt look any good to wield a 2-handed weapon, and yes, old legendary weapons is all about the look.
Artificial Sep 18th 2011 3:57PM
The problem with always making "homogenized" weapons that will be good for multiple classes is that a lot of players will be forever locked out from getting a legendary they'd truly want, as some classes and specs have particular, iconic weapons that only they wield well. If Blizzard wants to be fair to *everyone*, then at least every once in a while, they need to make something special for these players as well. "Just respec" is not an attitude they want to embody, as GC constantly harps on.
Skarn Sep 18th 2011 3:59PM
Amusingly, in last Sunday's queue I went through and examined every legendary and every spec. I came to the conclusion that the only spec that possibly has not had a legendary is Feral druids. Enhancement shaman had Sulfuras back in Vanilla. Prot paladins and prot warriors had Thunderfury. True, enhancement shaman and prot paladins were rare to non-existent at the time, but there was indeed a legendary that was good for their specs, even if the spec itself was terrible. (Enhancement was at least spectacular in PvP, especially with Sulfuras.) Thus the claim that "enhancement has never had a legendary" is downright false. You can say "enhancement has never had a legendary when the spec was viable in PvE." That one is true.
Anyway, the conclusion I came to last week is that if any spec "deserves" a legendary, it's first Feral druids. The only thing they've had is Sulfuras and I don't think that was good for them at all. Next up would be prot paladins, since they didn't even get to PvP with legendaries. Third is enhancement shaman. They weren't good in PvE at the time, but they were monsters in PvP.
If you want to read the posts, here is the link: http://wow.joystiq.com/2011/09/11/the-queue-not-to-nitpick/2#comments
jordan Sep 18th 2011 5:20PM
Unless pickpocketting is involved in the questline to aquire it.
kingoomieiii Sep 19th 2011 9:42AM
If you're going to lump in specs that technically COULD use a legendary, I don't see how (beyond pure bias) you're ignoring ferals using a 2h mace. I think you know which one.
Zack Vogel Sep 19th 2011 9:11PM
@kingoomieiii
Didn't while they may have been able to wield it I think it would have little to no benefit because of how the weapon mechanics worked with feral druids at that time. One could argue that the rogue is less deserving because of the glaives.
Moeru Sep 18th 2011 12:07PM
I see rogues as swashbucklers so anything that makes my rogue look like that is awesome to me, like the Season 10 PVP gear turned out pretty well for her with her first weapon on the same side the larger shoulder pad is on. Makes her look monstrous, which is what I go for most of the time.
alzeer Sep 18th 2011 12:07PM
what are the odds of enha shaman getting legendary weapon?
the last legendary we got was Sulfuras and im not sure if back in vanilla shaman was allowed to cast loot on it since it got strength
relmatos Sep 18th 2011 2:36PM
I thought Blizzard said we'd get one this expansion pack but I guess either I was wrong or they changed their mind and decided to give it to rogues and see if the rogue population grew in the game.
Skarn Sep 18th 2011 3:38PM
The last legendary that Blizzard promised to a specific class or spec was Dragonwrath. At Blizzcon they promised that there would be a legendary staff for DPS casters. That has since happened. There have been no promises to any other class or spec since then. The only thing that comes close is an answer in "Ask the Devs: Tank Edition." Link over here: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2649805301
The question was "Will we get a tanking legendary?" Here are the important parts of the answer: "The answer is not soon, but probably eventually" and then "The 4.2 legendary has fairly wide appeal, and the 4.3 legendary will have much more narrow appeal."
This was mere days before 4.2 was actually released. Note that at this point they had some idea what the 4.3 legendary would be, since they already knew it's appeal would be narrow. Yet in the same answer, Blizzard says there will "probably eventually" be a legendary. I think it's clear that Blizzard already knew that 4.3 would NOT have a tanking legendary or they would have just said so here. Despite this, many people thought this answer meant "tanking legendary in 4.3!" and now they're all disappointed.
Er, anyway, the point was that Blizzard has not promised Enhancement shaman a legendary. (How'd I get off track on that? /shrug)
Elmo Sep 18th 2011 4:42PM
Strength isn't the issue there.
during vanilla and BC enh shamans had a stat priority similar to plate users.
aka Strength was the Best stat there was for them (it gave 2 AP and scaled with Kings)
the problem Enh shams have with Sulfuras is that the class has changed so much it wouldn't even be a viable option these days and during Vanilla Enh shamans weren't a raid viable spec.
you were a shaman and wanted to raid? go spec Resto, it's the only way you're of any use to the raid.
Jack Mynock Sep 18th 2011 9:25PM
Gettiing the short end on weapon upgrades is pretty much SOP for enh this expansion. No craftable weapons at launch, no epic maces in the first tier, and then no craftable 365 weapons with 4.2 (the only spec wihout one as far as I can tell). Now we're back in caster MH territory too, but at least the axe is pretty clearly meant to be available to enh as well as other shaman and holy paladins. Still, it's a pain trying to explain to people that it's our BiS MH and we should get to roll on it.
Nathanyel Sep 18th 2011 12:08PM
Agility never gave attack power for Plate classes.
razion Sep 18th 2011 12:17PM
Oh really?
http://www.wowpedia.org/Agility#Agility
Nathanyel Sep 18th 2011 12:25PM
"Warriors and rogues gain 1 _ranged_ attack power for each point of agility. "
I'm terribly sorry, I forgot the warrior ranged spec.