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9-19-2011 @ 7:20PM
The backdraft idea is okay, but it still overlooks the glaring problem that it is dependent on Conflag which is of course dependent on Immolate, a spell that has no dispel protection. I agree with all of your points, but they seem to look at the discussion from a PvE prospective. I am not sure why it wasnt mentioned, but after reading pages upon pages of the feedback thread, perhaps one of the biggest gripes was Destro in PvP, I really thing this should have been discussed as it seems something the warlock community really wants to see changed.
9-19-2011 @ 8:08PM
Lack of dispel protection is not a problem. This may come as news to some players, but dispel protection does not exist any more. Moonfire and Insect Swarm have no dispel protection, yet multi-DoTing targets is still a viable and powerful tool for balance druid PvP. Demonology has no dispel protection for any of it's DoTs or debuffs, mages have no dispel protection for any of their debuffs, and the list goes on. The only class with any absolute dispel protection are Death Knights. Affliction and Shadow Priests have deterrents from dispels, but they are not any means of absolute protection. What is it that you would be looking for with Destruction? You aren't ever going to get the RNG "Immolate has X chance to not be dispelled" back. So, what, do you want a talent which allows Immolate to stun targets if dispelled? Is that "protection?" Healers will merely dispel it, eat the stun, and then go about not caring. The dispel system in of itself is entirely broken, but to proclaim that it is the dispel system alone that is holding back Destruction's PvP play, then you are grossly mistaken. Getting off an Immolate and Conflag is not nearly as difficult as players make it out to be, it can easily be done, particularly in RBGs. Working with other players to stun lock, Fear, Silence, or in many other ways disable a healer to allow the time it takes to cast Immolate and then Conflag is the least of Destruction's worries. Dispels need to be changed, but they aren't what's holding back Destruction the most in PvP right now.
9-21-2011 @ 2:07PM
Well, i am not suggesting dispel immunity. We both know that that will never happen. But a penalty of some sort is definitely in order. A Stun w/ damage is actually a great idea. Or a Burning adrenaline style buff the lock gets if Immolate dispelled... there are options out there. I can say exactly how a healer will react to a deterrent in Destro, but I can say how healers react to UAs effects... they dont dispel it. Immolate is key not only for Conflag and its effect, but to get the added damage to Incinerate. Can you Immolate and Conflag before it gets dispelled? Sure. Can you keep Immolate up for its full duration and really make use of backdrafted Incinerates? Not likely. Immolate is key to the spec. Period.I am also proclaiming that the dispelling of Immolate would instantly fix the spec. There are other issues that need to be addressed, some of them you touched on. But I am saying it IS an issue that came up again and again in the warlock community on class thread, and it warrants serious consideration.
9-21-2011 @ 2:11PM
NOT proclaiming*... whoooops XD
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