Yeah, my guild has been working on 25 Normal Ragnaros for two weeks, and we were making headway last night.. and now there's this enormous nerf which will make the encounter totally trivial. Disappointing, really. We needed time, not nerfs.

This sort of attitude sounds familiar. Where I have I heard it before.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtdZF77gc3Y

Both of my guilds are at that same spot ... working on 10 man Rag normal and making progress, but just needing more time. Both groups raid 2 nights a week for 3.5-4 hours a night. Most of us are disappointed in the nerfs coming while the tier is current because we know we could get him down with more work.

Everyone had the same chance to down the bosses. If they couldn't do it in time that is their problem. Maybe they should have worked harder on it.

I have no pride - I just want all bosses down. Short of handing us an "I win" button, I have no problem with a nerf at this point.

The bigger concern is how this is going to affect the upcoming tier. These nerfs are massive. It's going to create a sizable skill gap between this tier and the Demon Soul. Going from firelands to the first boss in T13 will be soul crushing on a level not seen since going from 30% buff ICC to T11 content. Groups will develop unreasonable expectations of their own progression, and when they fail to meet those expectations, they'll quit, just like all the players in T11 did when they found out just how much they relied on the 30% buff. I'm not sure how effective the new "derp mode" raids will be at buffering this out. Will guilds that became accustomed to clearing firelands on normal be satisfied with with getting brickwalled in normal and having to split loot with the worst humanity has to offer in the LFR pugs?


Blanket nerfs like this are never good for the game.

To be honest, I'm a little upset with these nerfs too. This is the current content we're talking about, and it's getting a sunwell/icc style nerfing. At least leave the Heroic modes alone like you did for the last tier.

My guild recently moved to 25 man for this tier (albeit, a decision we've arguably regretted) and we're only 3/7 HM. Had we stayed 10m i think we'd be 6/7 HM but that's beside the point. The point is, I want to beat the content as Blizzard intended; I want to beat the same content that paragon beat, even if I'm a few months behind them. I don't want to beat 15% easier bosses. Last night we just gave up on doing our heroic domo attempts because we knew these nerfs were coming today. That almost made me sick to my stomach, as over dramatic as that is.

These kind of nerfs completely trivialize the current effort we're putting into this tier, which I don't need to remind anyone again, is still the current tier and likely will be for a few more months.

And I understand nerfing normals if they don't feel like enough guilds are able to see the current content. But really, Hard modes don't need this kind of massive adjustment. Let us step up to the challenge! :)

"Blanket nerfs like this are never good for the game."

Oh? They have been doing this for, what 7 years now? I think they know what they are doing.

And the first blanket nerf on current content was the 30% ICC buff, and skill gap that it created ran nearly a million players out of the game. They're still pushing out random stat epics despite the outcry against it with Tot4W. Blizzard has often repeated their own failures. They aren't some magic bunch of geniuses. They can run a franchise into the ground with a few bad decisions just like any other company.

Cheated?

They had PLENTY of time to kill those bosses.

Let's face it, if they have not downed it by now, those people need these Nerfs.

So happy we managed to get our Rag 10m normal kill last week before the nerf. Personally I think it's a little early for nerfs, but I'd also like to see heroic Rag (my guild took a month or two just to get normal Rag down).

To be honest, I don't care about anyone's epeen. I want to see the content like everyone else. These nerfs are most welcome.

Normally I'd agree with those saying "if you haven't downed it by now, you need those nerfs." But let's face it, Firelands came out during the Summer, and I know my guild lost a lot of core players to this. Just when we might start seeing regular attendance by some of those players we've really missed, bam, firelands gets a rather ridiculous nerf. At least start at 5% and maybe do another 5% or so in two weeks. Why 25% in one shot?

"""Blanket nerfs like this are never good for the game."

Oh? They have been doing this for, what 7 years now? I think they know what they are doing."

Umm no, they haven't?
Naxx wasn't nerfed 20% when ulduar came out, ulduar wasn't nerfed xx% when toc came out, toc wasn't..ICC had raising buff and lasted year.
Kara wasn't nerfed when black temple came out. BT wasn't nerfed when Sunwell came out. BC raids were nerfed 20% when 3.0 came out tho.
Molten core wasn't nerfed 20%(iirc) when BWL came out. Blackwing lair wasnt nerfed when AQ came around..

No, they haven't done this "for 7 years".
Gear and getting bosses on farm nerfed the content, not Blizzard. People must remember this, they certainly haven't nerfed old content when new came along like this.
This is totally new design philosophy with cataclysm it seems, giving easy access to epics and gear doesn't seem enough to nerf content.

And iirc this is FIRST time blanket nerfs are done MIDDLE of tier. Just pointing this out.

Personally I'm bit mixed on this. I wouldnt have minded nerfs really close to 4.3 I think middle tier nerfs are not ideal. It makes me feel like this tier is over and done with and only thing left is to farm gear. If 4.3 was around we would be working that.
Now its kinda like "well this tier is pretty much done now all we got left is farm gear.." with 4.3 it would be "ok tier12 over lets go kill deathwing". Makes me feel theres "nothing to do" because I like progression and dont care about gear.

It's amazing how many idiots are in here who confuse time with skill. We've been working on heroic ryloth for 2 weeks now and have been inching closer and closer. We're going to one shot it this week, thanks blizzard for fucking up the last part of the game that I liked.

Heroic modes are worthless now if they are just going to nerf them with the rest of content. Nerf the shit out of normals I don't care and people should be able to kill rag but heroics should be hard and not everyone should be able to do them. I hate blizzard a little bit more every day and that is killing my child inside, I've been playing blizzard games since before they were blizzard.