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9-22-2011 @ 2:21PM
This is all nice and well, but if you still can't go within shout distance of certain parts of goldshire / stormwind / silvermoon... unless you're thing is to play one-handed...Then what's the point of trying?
9-22-2011 @ 2:36PM
I know, right? A long time ago, I realized there are places I wouldn't want to go in this world, so I stopped donating to the Red Cross. It just seemed like the next logical step.
9-22-2011 @ 2:41PM
I know I was rated down and I can understand people not liking a negative comment but I'm going to follow it up anyway.The ideal care package needs to also come with some serious work to change the reputation where that reputation lies.Is my comment about Goldshire wrong now? It -was- true last time I was on the server, some time ago. If its no longer true - the do a bit of a publicity campaign and point that out to people.If it is true, get blizzard admins involved and clean those people out of those spots. WoW is not the right place for that kind of RP anyway. There are even free online-games now for "that element."But again if its false, make that known. It matters less if a reputation is true than if its believed. And my blunt comment above -is- believed by a lot of WoW.- Because my comment above might not be liked, but its a popular view, and if wrong needs to be 'marketed against'.I have a separate comment about the care packages and things to consider for them that I'll post not as a followup to this but in the other comments.
9-22-2011 @ 2:49PM
@(cutaia): That's a non-sequiter criticism of my blunt comment.But let me make it clearer with more polite language than I'd used since my sarcasm has had the wrong effect:To fix the image of a place you attack the negative image where that image lies, not in (or just in) other aspects.Its great that Moon Guard has care packages. But if they were started as a way to address Moon Guard's image then they're not tackling the main 'issue' with that image.
9-22-2011 @ 3:12PM
Moon Guard's Goldshire is full of people from other servers who have heard about Moon Guard's Goldshire and have come to see what the fuss is about (and more to participate than will admit). Most Moon Guard regulars avoid Goldshire because there's nothing there for them -- but unfortunately Goldshire makes for a lot more entertaining Youtube videos than the other 98% of the server. And so the cycle continues. The reptuation Moon Guard has -- that the *entire server community* is made up of Goldshire -- IS undeserved. Maligning a server community of thousands based on the actions of less than a hundred (and most of those a rotating roster of tourists) is unfair to the whole. And it's very specifically unfair to Venita, who's working hard to make Moon Guard a better place -- trying to bolster the community and promote the positive about MG, to fight that unfair reputation -- to tell her and anyone who might be inspired by her that her efforts are pointless. *That's* why you're getting downvoted. It does seem like, in a way, you're on her side, but you've got a funny way of expressing it. The player community *can't* fix Goldshire on its own -- and while Blizzard admins do get involved, with new trolls rolling in all the time it's something of an uphill battle even for them. But we *can* promote the awesome community outside of Goldshire. And maybe someday the entire server will not be judged for the actions of a few.
9-22-2011 @ 3:15PM
/applauds AstorethPerfectly explained. Thank you.
9-22-2011 @ 3:16PM
You're missing the point, man.Good people seek to create positive change -- and here's the important part -- in the ways that they actually have control over. There's no reason to belittle the things they're doing because they're not "tackling" larger issues, in your mind.You might as well joke about someone who sponsors children in war-ravaged countries because they're not working to overthrow a despot instead.
9-22-2011 @ 3:22PM
I seriously never understood the reputation Moon Guard gets. Goldshire is like that on *every* RP server, largely because of trolls. I played on Moon Guard for nearly a year, and I can count on one hand the times I ran into people publicly ERPing. And I did the majority of my RP in Silvermoon, which has Goldshire's reputation Horde-side. I just never saw this supposed epidemic of cybering that people are always screaming about. Even the Darknest people were pretty discreet with their shenanigans.Of all the legit problems with Moon Guard, this is so far down the list I can't believe people still make a fuss about it to the point where it's still a meme, Lisa included.
9-22-2011 @ 3:27PM
It's not like we (Moon Guard players) have personally seen the error of our ways and are trying to make amends. And Goldshire hasn't magically become a shining example of quality role-playing.But this project isn't about proclaiming Goldshire "clean". This is about Moon Guard's community as a whole. The vast majority of Moon Guard has nothing to do with that Goldshire crap.We respectable citizens are just sick of the fact that the face of Moon Guard hasn't been a fair picture.Bravo, Venita, for highlighting what our community is really about!
9-22-2011 @ 4:05PM
I've played many online games with RP, both text-only and MMOs, and let me assure you: every one of them had a "Goldshire" (by any other name). It seems that there are a few constants to human behavior here: people like to imagine having sex, they like to have an audience (and there's a fair amount of overlap there), and they like to make fun of the first two groups. As others have noted above, I bet half of the Goldshire crowd on Moon Guard are either gawkers and tourists, or trolls and those doing it "ironically" (a favorite excuse of those who think this makes them better than those who do the same thing sincerely, or who don't want to admit that they like it themselves).My experience with public RP (both online and live-action) also suggests that while the sort of RP that goes on in such places tends to be silly and melodramatic, it's how people make connections, get noticed, and get "their foot in the door." Those who rise above the noise will sometimes get tapped on the shoulder, as it were, and invited elsewhere (to a guild, somewhere else in the world, or both) for more private and usually deeper play. (What many don't get is that this means playing /better/, and sometimes quieter, rather than louder and harder and more over-the-top.) The cream gets skimmed off the top, leaving the insipid froth.
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