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9-22-2011 @ 11:09AM
A question I asked the Q yesterday, but it was late so I don't know if many people saw it.The new Looking For Raid is going to be for 25-man size only. How many tanks, healers and dps slots do you think LFR will require? Most guilds run with 2 tanks, 5-8 healers, the rest dps. Will this end the reign of tank tyranny and make the healers the ones who get instaqueues?I, for one, welcome our new spirit-stacking overlords.
9-22-2011 @ 11:26AM
Well, the proportions of classes who can fill roles generally match the proportions of 25-man raids pretty closely... unless you're stacking healers. It'll depend on exactly how Blizz nerfs encounters, but if it has anything to do with removing/pushing back the enrage timer or number of adds that need to be killed, you can bet the system will prefer to stack some extra healers for fewer wipes. I am most excited for this glorious day!
9-22-2011 @ 11:31AM
The decision to make LFR 25-man only I think was specifically designed to address just this problem. With only 1 tank for every 5-6 DPS required to make a group, DPS queue times will be better.I have a feeling that you're right regarding healers being the most needed role in LFR.5-mans require 1 tank for every 1 healer.Using your guesses for role distribution, LFR will require 1 tank for every 3 or 4 healers.If the pool of players queuing for LFD share roughly the same distribution as players who will queue for LFR, then healers will be in the shortest supply.
But yeah, the days of tank overlordship are definitely gone when LFR hits. The number of tanks is going to be enough to meet a quota of two tanks per raid. Even if it's a bit short, the Call to Arms will probably be enough to pull plenty of tanks in to meet the problem.
9-22-2011 @ 11:37AM
I'm sure it will err on the side of more tanks and healers. Almost all tanks and healers have a dps spec, so the raid leader can opt for more dps after the raid is formed.Of course, by default the raid leader will be one of the tanks, so they can fight over who wants to be raid leader and therefore get to pick who switches to dps. Hmm. I wonder if the hardest part of LFR will be deciding which of the 25 people is most suited to lead the raid? Or will it be so nerfed that you can just zerg it with no communication at all?
9-22-2011 @ 12:14PM
Man, I gotta be honest. Waiting in a queue for 24 party members sounds awful. As DPS, it already takes about 15~20 minutes to find just 4 of them.And the innevitable parade of... "X did not accept the raid invite, you have been returned to the front of the raid queue."
9-22-2011 @ 12:33PM
I think there's still a lot of the LFR system we just don't know about, I can't imagine it's going to encompass the entire raid in one piece, so do they make each boss it's own piece? How do you kick people?Random or pick a raid, bonus valor for random? valor per boss?Will they remove the valor from random dungeons to compensate or with the cap does it matter?
9-22-2011 @ 12:38PM
That's a good point Suzaku. Hopefully they will let the the other 24 enter the raid and then re-queue the one missing person. You will of course have people leaving the raid constantly. Hopefully they will not allow people leave in the middle of boss fights. When someone leaves a 5-man group everyone in the group has to click buttons to re-queue for the missing person. Hopefully in a raid, it will automatically fill the missing spots.
9-22-2011 @ 4:12PM
25 only? Wow, that brings up a lot of issues.Hopefully it will add you to the group as soon as you queue and give you the green button to zone in when ready, as opposed to the natural extension of the current LFG (requiring 25 simultaneous check-ins in order to insta-port everyone).I also wonder whether they should give everyone invite privileges - you could fill the group quicker, but it might do more harm than good.Will it require that no one queueing be saved to any boss in that raid?How large a group will be able to queue? If 24 of us form up for a raid, will we get more loot for taking on 1 stranger?Will a 10-man be able to join the LFR 25 queue while in a different 10-man? ("Hey guys, let's go to BWD 10, and see how far we get before the queue for Throne 25 pops.")This is just the tip of the iceberg...
9-22-2011 @ 4:37PM
25 man only? That kind of seems like it's set up to fail. As far as wanting an insta-queue, it's a raid. I'm pretty sure the queue is going to be fairly lengthy, maybe not in the beginning. Is it 25 man because they will be running a 10-man difficulty but with more people? If this is their plan, won't that make the majority of the people running it used to easy fights or being carried in their raid? Interesting questions.
9-22-2011 @ 6:49PM
"Is it 25 man because they will be running a 10-man difficulty but with more people?"Just a nitpicky note: There is no "10-man difficulty." There's Normal or Heroic. The LFR raid tool will be another difficulty level automatically set on "Easy." I think they're currently calling it "LFR" difficulty.I'm guessing the goal of "only 25" is to help queue times. Well, help DPS queue times. For the exact same amount of tanks, a 25-man raid will take 12-13 more DPS than a 10-man. DPS is obviously the far more abundant resource with the longer queue times, so this would theoretically cut those in half or better. There are obviously other issues, but I think most of those would exist regardless of raid size. They may be aggravated in a larger raid though. We're waiting on Blizzard to release more info on how all of this is going to work.
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