WoW Rookie: Getting into Firelands PUGs

Chris wrote in to me with this question:
While this level of raiding is a bit beyond the standard rookie level, it's definitely a problem that many rookies face while trying to get into raiding. I wanted to cover it here instead of having someone field it in Ready Check, because I think this is the kind of information and strategy that will be important to new players trying to get into progression.I haven't been able to get into successful Firelands raid groups very often, because I only have a 5/7 achievement on Blackrock, where almost everyone either demands a 6/7 achievement or gives up after repeated wipes. On my old server, Stormscale, it was even worse -- Firelands PUGs were practically non-existent. No successful raiding guild seems to have space for a mage, and when I stepped in as leader for the second raid group in my current guild, people stopped showing up!How can I find a guild or PUG that'll take me as I am, and where I'll have a decent chance of killing Domo and Rag? I don't want to switch to playing a tank or healer as my main, since it'd put me back to square one in both skill and gear.
(Note that I don't mean imply that Chris is new or anything like that; sounds like he's totally on the good part of the curve. But still, this is good advice for rookies.)
Woes of DPS
One of Chris's first problems is obvious: He's a mage. (Cue all you warlocks making jokes.) In the vast sea of players looking for raids and dungeons, DPS is the vast majority. Like, whoah. It's so rare that people can't find DPS to fill out a raid that when a lack does happen, the instance becomes a joke, screenshots are shared to sites like Reddit, and casual bystanders lean back and go "whoah."
While it sounds as if Chris wants to stick with his mage, all you rookies or casuals hoping to PUG into raids should note the problem. You have much, much better chances of getting invited to a PUG or a guild group if you're a tank or healer. Keep a DPS spec in your toolbox, of course, but tank or healer is the way to go.
When a PUG leader is building a raid, he can usually afford to be incredibly selective when it comes to DPS characters. And that leader must be selective. Usually, a PUG is forced to accept any tank or healer it can get, because tanks and healers are in short supply. If a tank or healer is willing to raid, chances are some enterprising guild has snapped them up already.
In order to make sure the PUG has a high chance of success, the leader is forced to pick only the absolute best DPS to fill out the raid. (He might even need to overcome some shortcomings in the tank and healer department.) The leader will look for as many ringers as he can get -- people who have demonstrated their skill and can put out huge DPS numbers.
It sucks to be DPS in this case, but it's the reality of the situation.
Take me as I am
Chris's question boils down to "How can I get a group without changing classes?" He actually used the phrase "take me as I am."
Thing is, if you're trying to get a group without picking up additional gear or achievements, which represents the literal "as I am," your only option is to keep trying and hope to get lucky. Try to talk up the PUG leaders you see, make friends, and network. Hopefully, these folks will see your name in a friendly way, over and over. Eventually, you'll get drafted and rock on to success.
If we're not going for the literal "take me as I am" route, then I would suggest taking a bit of time and going to get the achievements you're missing. T11 content is easy now on normal mode. Guild groups do it to help bootstrap new players into current content, and PUGs can still get decent weapons and such from the end bosses.
You'll have a better chance getting a PUG for one of those groups and then moving on to Firelands success afterward.
Gearing up
It sounds like Chris is probably already rocking pretty good gear. For those of you trying to get into successful raids who want to know how to catch up the curve, the path is fairly simple.
Do normal dungeons first (presumably, using the random Dungeon Finder). When the random Dungeon Finder says you're suitable for non-Troll heroics, start doing those. Keep going. Lastly, when the random Dungeon Finder says you're ready for Troll heroics, go kill some Trolls. (Who doesn't love killing Trolls?)
Try and squeeze in Blackwing Descent, Throne of the Four Winds, and Bastion of Twilight around the time you can start doing Troll heroics. This will help bootstrap you to the Firelands level quickly.
Obviously, doing the 4.2 dailies will help a lot, also. This is just a rough guide, and you should keep looking for PUGs that will take you all along the way.
Most important tip
The most important tip to finding PUGs with a good chance of success is to keep trying. Talk to the raid leaders, and if they turn you down, ask them to consider you for the next round. Keep trying to PUG on your server; keep trying to find new groups. Keep improving your own stats as you go, and eventually, the magic will happen.
All of this will be made a little easier when the Raid Finder tool is released in 4.3. While you'll still need to PUG to get into normal difficulty, at least you'll be able to start with the Raid Finder.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 2)
relmatos Sep 22nd 2011 6:34PM
One other important thing is geting a decent reputation.
Now I havent really tried to pug raids since it just seems too much of a hassle to only end up disbanding after 1 wipe but back in wrath, I pugged every week. in the begining, geting in a group was difficult as dps but after that I only had to advertise that I was looking for a group or whisper to whoever was forming a group(out of the few raid leaders I trusted to pug) and I'd be accepted without having to show achievements or have my gear inspected. They knew I was a decent dps, polite and could handle a few wipes.
The worst thing you can do is get yourself a bad reputation or be in one of those guilds who just refuses to speak english and is constantly spamming raid\trade chat in whatever language they speak. Then people wont really be willing to give you a chance.
KPB Sep 22nd 2011 7:00PM
These types of situations can be hard. If there is truly nothing but only being 5/7 instead of 6/7 keeping you out of those groups about the only thing you actively do is try to run your own raid. Other than that, you just have to hope to get lucky and get into a group. Things should hopefully be better now that the nurfs have hit. You might also want to try looking into the trends on your server. On a lot of servers the requirements start our higher, right after the server reset, and get lower as you approach the next reset just because there are less people available.
I always have to wonder tho if there isn't something else that is holding you back.
Is all your gear properly enchanted/gemmed and reforged? Maelstrom crystals a pretty cheap now a days and you should be ending up with at least a few when you are running troll heroics to cap out your VP every week so there really isn't much reason not to have the best enchants available.
Do you have the standard best spec and glyphs?
Have you ground out all of your dailies for your 365's and enough firelands rep runs to get your rep cloak and belt?
Are you trying to PUG the t11 dungeons every week to pick up any upgrades you can? There are a couple slots you can't get to 359+ with out doing the raids and even replacing one 359 with another may still be a decent upgrade.
All these things are going to make it less likely that you will be rejected automatically just because you are 1 boss short of what they are looking for.
Ktekwah Sep 23rd 2011 1:13AM
Acctually, finding a spot as tank is suprisingly hard. Atleast finding a good guild that needs one. Good guilds tend to have stable tanks. And getting a spot then can be.... tricky at best.
Ktekwah Sep 23rd 2011 3:42AM
and to stay on the subject. Good luck getting into a FL pug without any experiance of FL.
morrie Sep 23rd 2011 3:31PM
I'm a DPS that clears normal FL in my guild runs and when it is my week to sit out you will be competing with me for a DPS spot in a FL PuG.