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9-22-2011 @ 5:32PM
You hit the nail bang on the head. Ive been organizing FL PUGs for the past few weeks, and initially i was liberal, i would let people in pvp gear in , i would let ppl in 346s and just 359s in , i would let ppl without enchants in. And guess what the pugs wipes a bunch of times. I find PUGs have a very low tolerance for patience, if there are too may wipes or the loot they wanted didn't drops , people start leaving. So Ive become one on of those picky PUGers , i ask how many 365s or 378s they have, i see if they r using any pvp pieces, i check for gems and enchants. If they havn't done any one of them , i don't invite them because they r the ones that yell "u guys r noobs , i outta here"
9-22-2011 @ 7:36PM
Heh...Your last comment is so descriptive of the typical issue in WoW PUGs.Not a raid but in a recent troll heroic tanking on my alliance side DK after a few wipes and chat starting to light up with the usual 'fail tank' I look around me and at recount and notice that I'm the -only- person of 5 with PvE gear on, except for the one who was in greens (who I could not figure out - I guess they had enough other gear in bags to queue in).For a raid, I'm surprised you'd let in -anyone- with any PvP gear on.A little low on gear I can understand, but PvP is a big red flag for itemization...
9-27-2011 @ 5:16PM
Ah, yet another elitist jerk. Ilvl 378 PvP gear is better than ilvl 346 JP rewards (probably about lvl 352) that Zulroics were originally meant to be run in. They are NOT always a bad choice. This has been talked to death in the forums and in comments, zero the resilience and use the remaining stats to figure the value of the item. Rule-of-thumb, primary stat counts twice as much as a secondary. Usually if you're a successfull PuG PvPer, you're in full Vicious anyway so you end up balancing off one or two pieces.Compare Spiritshield Mask iLvl 353 vs Vicious Glad's DP Helm:Mask gives you 352 more armor, 59 LESS str, 89 LESS stam, the mastery vs dodge is about a wash so you end up with 159 parry and 352 armor at the cost of 59 str and 89 stam. If what you have in the slot is less than iLvl 353 (the Mask), you are better off with the PvP piece. This example (both pieces) are from a pally toon, I replaced the PvP piece when I got the mask but until then it was my best choice.
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