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9-25-2011 @ 8:06AM
Ditch retarded 31 points in tree crap, allows more mixing of talent trees.Only real hybrid in game is a feral druid.You want to see hybrids done well? Go play support roles in rift. Shamicars, cholochons, bards....thats how you do hybrid roles.
9-25-2011 @ 8:35AM
"Shamicars"? "Colochons"? These sound like the anatomy of antique furniture, not classes. "The colochon on this shamicar is positively Elizabethan! A splendid find! At auction, this might go for, oh, around about ten thousand pounds."Like it or lump it, Blizzard seems to have moved away from allowing people to double-dip - too much effort to balance, in their words, and too many people doing it to eke out some benefit at the corners where the balancing is broken, rather than for a genuine love of Restomental shaman, Unfrosty DKs or The Arcane Fire. That was the reasoning they gave at the time, in any case.And Blizzard has always been dead set against support classes, on the grounds that it's cooler to be awesome yourself than to help everyone else be awesome. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride sort of thing. In this analogy the groom would be an internet dragon, so it's maybe not a very good analogy.
9-25-2011 @ 8:43AM
this.For those that don't know, the bard in rift is a "support" spec, which basically boils down to short term buffs (30 second duration) a powerful cooldown (increases mana/energy/focus regeneration, and thus dps/healing throughput), combo points are built using a channelled low dps spell that also heals the group for the same amount of damage that it does, combo points are spent on a variety of finishers including an AOE heal, a physical damage debuff, a magical damage debuff, a single target attack and an aoe attack. It also has a couple of other spells, such as a cooldown that means finishers can be spammed without using combo points, an instant attack that grants 5 combo points and more.I cant comment on the other support specs as I only really played my rogue at level 50 - rogue tanking was incredibly fun too! Rift has (had?) a load of potential, I just cant put my finger on why it doesn't feel quite right. It might be the lack of obvious direction at level 50, but I came back to WoW after only a month or 2.
9-25-2011 @ 10:15AM
Maybe what's wrong about it is that their devs stole the name from an RPG that had been around for twenty years then acted like jackasses when they were called on it.
9-25-2011 @ 10:38AM
"Maybe what's wrong about it is that their devs stole the name from an RPG that had been around for twenty years then acted like jackasses when they were called on it"Probably not, the name of a game means literally nothing to me when I am playing it.
9-25-2011 @ 11:11AM
Yeah, I did a trial period of Rift. I decided I'd try out a warrior (Void Knight/Paladin/Warlord). Now, that was ok. Problem with Rift is that there's so many choices and you have so many talent points that it becomes clunky. I imagine that the devs of Rift are already encountering balance issues, especially in pvp. In pve, I'd imagine it's just becoming apparent that certain classes make better healers or tanks than others. Furthermore, as nice a support role sounds, it actually sucks in the long run. The only way to do a support role and make it not suck is to play a D&D based game, like the Neverwinter Nights series or Baldur's Gate series. And even then, it sucks. Keeping everyone buffed ultimately means you're not actually bashing on the boss, holding aggro, or healing. You're basically just the cheerleader who clicks buttons. No one's ever going to go, "Yeah, without that bard, we'd have lost the fight." No, they'll go, "We had a bard helping us, which was nice, but I've done that without a bard. We don't really need it." Support roles suck.
9-25-2011 @ 11:21AM
Bard. But I would blow the doors off the current model. There would be 6/12/30 man instances. Their main weapon would be his mandolin/instrument. It would have the stats like any main weapon. They would charm and persuade and captivate their enemies. Offer up some minor heals and cool buffs and debuffs. If you got close you would get stabbed or bashed with his stringed weapon.
9-25-2011 @ 11:40AM
I love support roles. Its probably for the same reasons I end up with less than 15 points but more than 15 assists in a basketball match. Support roles, in games designed for them, do provide more dps than if that player was dpsing and they provide benefit to healers too.WoW wasn't designed for them, so they'd ruin the game. Nice to dream about then though
9-25-2011 @ 1:16PM
@NoyouI can see where a bard-like class might be attractive in certain settings, but I just don't see that fitting in with WoW's style in any way. Indulging in a little RP for a moment, I just imagine the reaction of Arthas, Rag, Deathwing, etc., when a band of 25 epic adventurers venture into their lair, accompanied by some dude plucking a lute like one of Sir Robin's minstrels."Onyxia takes in a deep breath... but can't keep a straight face and bursts into laughter"On the other hand, maybe it would help certain encounters.
9-25-2011 @ 2:48PM
And no one would even be thinking about "bards" if it wasn't for the 1985 game, "The Bard's Tale". It was so massively popular that players ever since have insisted on forcing singing characters into games that did not want or need them.So much for the foolish notion that pen-n-paper games are meaningless today and can be legally overlooked by MMO-makers.
9-25-2011 @ 4:02PM
I was not making a rift>wow comment btw, just pointing out that oen thing rift does very well is hybrd roles/As long as wow sticks with 1 spec /role with 31 points in it, its never going to be hybrid
9-26-2011 @ 7:35AM
@SamLowry,I wish I had more awareness of video games back then, I had a c64, but spent most of the time playing "shoot em up construction kit" "park patrol" and the Dizzy games. Bards Tale looks cool!
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