Two Bosses Enter: Vanessa VanCleef vs. Daakara

Lord Godfrey trounced watcher Setesh in last week's battle, cutting short the easily skippable combatant with a flurry of bullets and a cool-looking hat. Godfrey's moves were too much for Setesh's portals, void adds, and general titanic powers. Personally, I think it was the hat.
This week's matchup is going to be a doozy. Vanessa VanCleef, one of the most popular contestants on Two Bosses Enter, is fresh off her win against Hex Lord Malacrass, but who really expected Malacrass to beat VanCleef in a one-on-one fight? Not me, at least. Vote, minions!
| Vanessa VanCleef | |
|---|---|
| Daakara |
The rules of the ring
- The WoW Insider Ring is considered neutral territory, where both combatants are able to access their usual encounter mechanics and abilities. If you can't visualize it inside the squared circle, visualize it someplace else -- but you must take into consideration all of each bosses' abilities and mechanics.
- Assume that each opponent is intelligent and capable of strategic thinking.
- All of the competitors' abilities, including crowd control and other effects to which bosses are usually immune, work on their opponents (with apologies to considerations of lore on this point).
- Assume that the opponents share similar levels, health pools, and comparative overall damage output.
- Don't get caught up in gameplay mechanics and what actual players might do in each encounter.
- Don't neglect style, story, and scale. Everything is a factor; seeking balance is your goal as a spectator and judge.

Oh, Vanessa. You thought Alex Ziebart had a crush on Vanessa, did you? She has a fandom. She has a following. She has an insurmountable legion of adoring disciples who loved to see her work her diabolical magic and are sad to see her go. She always excelled at poisons, you know.
Vanessa VanCleef's toolkit includes:
- Backslash
- Deadly Blades
- Vengeance of VanCleef
- Poisons, poisons and more poisons

Daakara is a Troll boss who actually won a fight on Two Bosses Enter, which is kind of a big deal because readers really hate the Troll dungeon bosses. I call this the Zul'Phenomenon -- the utter hatred of a boss' location and mechanics drives votes down because of undesirable past experiences. Well, Daakara is cool, Troll boss or not, so consider him a worthy opponent to the princess of poisons.
Read about Daakara's abilities on Wowhead.

Gun enthusiast Lord Godfrey of Shadowfang Keep beat back titanic watcher Setesh in a fairly one-sided win. Fans love Godfrey because of his no-frills attitude, John Woo-style pistols akimbo, and the fact that he took out the Banshee Queen at the end of the Silverpine zone by shooting Sylvanas in the back. How many people out there like to live vicariously through Godfrey during that whole ordeal? Too bad Sylvanas made a nice pact with those spooky Val'kyr ladies, hmm?
Anyway, the award for best description of this awesome fight goes to Fizzyl and, while his dramatic retelling of the conflict is too long to copy and paste in its entirety, I will pull out some of my favorite passages.
At last the horns sounded, and that great ham Fordring raised his fist, to a cheer from the crowd.Yesssssssss... excellent work, Fizzyl. Well done. Well done. Reader GhosWhoWalks had some poignant musings about why the titan construct should have taken this fight:
"CHAMPIONS - BEGIN!"
The great doors drew wide, and Setesh moved in like night falling over the desert.
He was toweringly tall, this construct. Carved from some dark stone and hung with ornaments of white and gold accented with the strange glyphs of Uldum, the thing was even - magnificent, in its way. Godfrey cocked his head, admiring it, even as his avid glowing eyes caught the glows of purple in its eyes. Brann Bronzebeard had written extensively of Setesh, a Titanic watcher set to guard some sort of engine Brann had ranted about. Brann wrote of him as "the Construct of Destruction". Godfrey sighed elaborately and drew his pistols, letting them rest in his idle hands as his ghouls began to caper back and forth, watching the thing lumber slowly to the center of the arena.
"The Construct of Destruction. Only a dwarf could've come up with that bit of imbecility,"
....
"Do you understand now?"
The voice spoke out of nothing again, and Godfrey pulled his hat over his eyes, standing his ground as the watcher of Chaos approached. His pistols rested in his bony grip, and his eyes gleamed hatefully.
"Of course I understand. Some people want to watch this world burn."
He grinned, cold in the night.
"Others want to be the ones responsible for burning it."
Setesh paused, as if considering the undead man's words, and then raised a stone hand. Purple energy crackled around it. A purple sphere, swirling with unknowable energies, rose above its palm, and with a gesture, Setesh tossed it to Godfrey's feet. Vincent Godfrey watched it come, and embraced the end as the energy burst all around him, seething, wrapping him in agonizing flares of purple fire. He did not cry out again. He would not give the construct the satisfaction. Across the arena, his ghouls died all over again at the teeth of the void worms even as they managed to claw them back into nothingness, and one bold ghoul gibbered and leaped into the portal, which closed around it as it clawed at infinite nothingness.
....
"Yes. Harness ... your ... hatred."
The voice blew away on the night wind, and Setesh crumbled, its long watch over. Godfrey stood for a long moment and let the wind blow around him and then looked up at Tirion, his yellow eyes blazing. He lifted one pistol in salute, still cracking with purple fire, and smiled - or at least bared his teeth.
"Thank you for your hospitality, Highlord."
Godfrey chuckled as he turned and limped out of the Coliseum, still smoldering and cracking, and walked back down to the cells he had been given. His books awaited, and he had reading to do - on the nature of Chaos.
Setesh is one of my favorite bosses for two reasons. Well, three.So Setesh gets banished to the void he attempts to control, and Lord Godfrey moves on to greener, semi-final pastures. Can he take it all the way? We'll know soon.
First, he's an unusual boss encounter, and a change-up from the standard "big enemy that blasts the tank with stuff that the DPS have to avoid, etc etc".
Second, Setesh has an "I just don't give a f***" attitude that I find to be hilarious. Adventuring band of heroes? Rogue running around shiving my legs? Whatever. I'm gonna go take a walk, you guys have fun with my minions.
Third, the guy is a very blatant reference to Star Wars. Evil shadowy powers? Hordes of mindless soldiers? Telling his enemies to "harness your hatred"? This guy's the Egyptian god of the Sith, and it's awesome.
Godfrey? Meh. What I remember most about him was the Worgen starting area, where he was a self-centered elitist nobleman and hurled himself off a cliff rather than accept that his king was a bit furrier than he once was.
| Lord Godfrey | |
|---|---|
| Setesh |
The battle begins!
Remember, Two Bosses Enter matchups are all about substance and style, not gameplay, mechanics, and numbers. Don't base your strategies on player tactics, which opponent has been easiest or most difficult for you personally, or the difficulty of each opponent relative to instance progression. Vote for the spirit of the battle as set forth above. Set aside differences in opponents' health pools, game level, and actual damage output. Absolutely no game mechanics nitpicking!
Filed under: Two Bosses Enter






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Darky Sep 26th 2011 2:09PM
Is it wrong that I voted for daakara just because I knew he wouldn't be voted for? Plus Who doesn't love da troll mon?
DeathPaladin Sep 26th 2011 2:23PM
Trolls be flippin' out, mon!
Hurbster Sep 26th 2011 3:43PM
Oh I'll vote for anyone that isn't Vanessa after that cardboard assassin fiasco.
Amaxe Sep 26th 2011 4:10PM
I also was voting against Vanessa.
Lowlight Sep 26th 2011 5:57PM
Vanessa wins! She gave 2BE a fatal wound that it is slowly dying of. It doesn't REALIZE it's dead yet though, because every week there it is again.
Kylenne Sep 26th 2011 2:17PM
I voted for Vanessa just because Daakara is a poor man's substitute for Zul'jin.
GhostWhoWalks Sep 26th 2011 2:19PM
Okay, so, two things.
First, Vanessa's appeal has kind of waned since they gave her that new voice-over: no voice acting is better than cringe-worthy voice acting.
Second, as popular as she might still be, she's still just a Rogue. A Rogue with some unusual tricks, but a Rogue nonetheless. Daakara's a bit of a beast, in more ways than one. With 4 different animal forms, each with their own way to really wreck his opponents, you're going to have a hard time finding a boss who can top him. Lynx? Claw Rage. Bear? Creeping Paralysis and then Surge. Eagle? A barrage of tornadoes and lightning. Dragonhawk? The longer the fight goes on, the more of a risk the opponent runs of being annihilated by Flame Breath, with Flame Whirl adding more and more fire vulnerability. Pain, Pain, Ouch, and then Death.
I'd describe Vanessa at the conclusion of this confrontation as being Cadaveriffic.
Also: holy crap, I got quoted! Woo!
Bellajtok Sep 26th 2011 4:36PM
Congratulations on your quoting! I'm going to piggyback on your comment to suggest an order of attacks that would pretty much win it for Daakara. I've posted it below as well, but I've put a bit more thought into it since and wanted to put it somewhere where it wouldn't get mixed up with other comments.
First, I'd like to clarify: although in-game, Daakara has set pairs of transformations that he will use. I assumed for purposes of this fight that he can transform as he likes, because the game doesn't want him mixing up an unbeatable combo... like this. Also, I assumed that Vanessa's poisons would be less than completely effective thanks to the support of the animal spirits, but I think he would get back through the nightmare just fine anyway.
So Daakara starts off with Grievous Throw, causing bleed damage to Vanessa for the rest of the fight. Then he transforms to bear. He uses Creeping Paralysis first to slow her damage down. Then he uses Surge. Until the debuff expires, all physical damage, including bleeds, is increased by 500%. So he shifts to Lynx. He then proceeds to Lynx it up, killing her at the speed of light, thanks to Surge, adds, bleeds, and especially Claw Rage, which roots her so she can't move out of the onslaught. If she has time to pull out her explosives, he turns to Dragonhawk and flies away from the blast. But she probably won't, because she'll be stunned by Creeping Paralysis by this point.
TL;DR: She never had a chance.
Angus Sep 26th 2011 2:19PM
No fair, Tirion, ya told everybody what she could do, but told them ta read a book for me? I see how ya are.
Dakkara looked at the rogue and sighed. Let me guess, poisons first?
She nodded and threw a poison at him. He laughed.
Okay, ya got any betta stuff? Dat be kid stuff. I ain't got no nightmares for ya ta feed on, girlie. Here let me intraduce ta me friends.
Vanessa backpedaled as 3 lynxes charged her. Trying to poison the animals wasn't helping as they were rapidly murdering her fighters and hurting her.
Dakkara shifting into a dragonhawk meant she had no where to hide and was quickly burned to death.
Dis little girl was a joke. Let's see who's net to fall to da might of da Amani!
Shao Sep 26th 2011 2:32PM
If this was about attractive figures, I'd vote Vanessa. In combat, not even close. Daakara pops Dragonhawk. Flamewhirls and Fire Lightning takes care of her adds. Once that's done, he switches to Lynx, messes up that pretty face of hers, cackles maniacally, loots her corpse for the key to that sweet boat she's got, and heads down to Stranglethorn for a long weekend with the Gurubashi and some Black Label Rumsey Rum. It's been too long since he's seen the Gurubashi guys anyway.
Guapa Sep 28th 2011 7:29AM
I voted for Vanessa because I don't care that this is not a beauty contest.
Once Sylvanas and Jaina both went mad and became raid bosses, it'll be a tough call for me...
Bellajtok Sep 26th 2011 3:28PM
*sigh* the outcome is unfortunately clear. Despite Daakara's greatly superior combat abilities, and some the ability to change his form for dealing with whatever is thrown at him (remember he's intelligent and so actually chooses spirits that fit the situation), Vanessa's powers of "not a zulroic boss" and "fan-favorite boss" will guarantee an undeserved victory.
Kylenne Sep 26th 2011 3:49PM
Vanessa wouldn't be nearly as much a "fan-favorite" if she wore pants. I actually like her as a character, and think she'd win any fight as long as she were crazy prepared for it, but let's be real about this.
djsuursoo Sep 26th 2011 4:00PM
if it were on the basis of what the fight's like, van cleef, hands down, every time for me.
daakara's fight isn't terribly engaging. you deal with him and a few animal forms. the tank's job is to stay alive and make sure he comes back to you when he charges. the DPS's job is to wail on him till he's down and don't get the adds too pissed at you.
van cleef's fight, you get a fun little trigger, some entertaining bits where you run through the dungeon and try to not piss off anything really nasty, and when you get back to her, she sets the boat on fire, starts blowing it up, is bouncing around like she's got a crack-powered pogostick, forces you to take a rope-swing off the boat and back again, and then at the end opts for the suicide route rather than fall to your sword.
it's a more entertaining and enjoyable fight.
Bellajtok Sep 26th 2011 4:08PM
Unfortunately true. But I don't think she'd win this one without being crazy prepared to the point of having a poison specifically designed to overcome Daakara's shape-shifting metabolism and form, plus a way to heal and get rid of the bleed, and a a way to avoid surge. Basically, not going to happen.
Here's how I imagine the fight going: Daakara strikes Vanessa for a bleed. She poisons him. He shapeshifts into bear, rendering the poison less effective as the bear spirit fortifies his mind and strengthens his body. He uses Surge, which Vanessa can't avoid. She's now taking 500% increased physical damage- which includes bleeds. Daakara then switches to Lynx, and with his adds, bleeds, and rush attacks, deals some massively increased physical damage. If she's not dead from that before the surge debuff expires, he switches back to bear to reapply it, and then back to Lynx again to finish her off. When she starts to trying to use her explosives, he turns into a dragonhawk and flies away, letting her die from her bleeds and explosions.
My prose is not so magnificent as Fizzyl's, but I think you get the idea.
Bart Sep 26th 2011 3:31PM
Vanessa...dem thighs.
Bellajtok Sep 26th 2011 3:42PM
I'm a bit worried that the winning votes for Vanessa are actually going to be for this kind of reason.
Bart Sep 26th 2011 3:43PM
I fail to see the problem.
Bellajtok Sep 26th 2011 4:12PM
The problem is that we're supposed to vote for the boss we think would win. We can have other polls for the most attractive boss. WowInsider is cool like that. It'll probably happen.
djsuursoo Sep 26th 2011 3:37PM
Vanessa has a thing for poisons, they're her trademark.
and sure she uses hallucination inducing poisons on players, but who says that's the only thing she's got? no good rogue steps out for a stroll without a full suite of poisons, and knowing her, the clever minx has some beautiful rage-nullifying numbers, tranquilizers, DoTs, you name it she's probably cooked it up.
and for all her size she hits bloody hard. her rage buff stacks out and she starts doing her version of the shadow dance, those lynx adds are not going to be lasting all that long. bear form doesn't do much good against someone who teleports behind you frequently. it'd be like watching a bullfight. lynx form is pretty similar; you can't hit what's constantly behind you. sure dakarra can whip around fast, but if she's always moving she's hard to hit.
the real one to watch out for is dragonhawk. that fire HURTS.
though where's the behind on something that flies? on its back. away from the fire. in a favorite spot for a rouge-like boss to start unloading. sure he could buck her off, but what's to stop her from zipping right back up there?
i see vanessa using a rogue's greatest advantages to the hilt this fight. being highly mobile is a real beast for melee to deal with, and what is daakara but a glorified melee boss with but one mildly dangerous AoE that vanessa posseses a perfect counter to?