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9-27-2011 @ 1:48PM
I'm a wrathbaby, so I wanted to ask, did players from vanilla have any semi-derogatory names for people who started playing during Burning Crusade?
9-27-2011 @ 2:11PM
Almost certainly "lolnewb" was used. But then, I'm a cata baby, who thoroughly researched my class before playing it, and has never experienced any of the kind of thing. So I have no clue.
9-27-2011 @ 2:39PM
I played since vanilla and I was called noob all the time because I was level 60 and NOT decked out in epics.I personally couldn't tell who just started and who was a veteran when TBC was released.
9-29-2011 @ 8:34AM
Burning Babies???Oh wait!D=
9-27-2011 @ 3:43PM
Hmmm. Hard to remember for sure, but I don't think so. I chalk a lot of that up to BC being so difficult. A lot of the "Wrath baby" stuff popped up in response to the relative ease of Wrath. Raids and dungeons in BC were NOT easy, so it prevented a lot of the "oh back in MY day, stuff was HARD" that arrived post-Wrath.
9-27-2011 @ 3:46PM
No, there was no semi-derogatory name for people who started in TBC. The whole reason wrath baby came about was the game took a major design change and people that started playing in Wrath would "cry and qq" about not getting the epics they felt they deserved. Observed from the point of view of someone who played in TBC or Vanilla, it was a bunch of bellyaching. Unfortunately, everyone that started at that time was clumped together, no matter what.
9-27-2011 @ 3:56PM
My memory is that kind of 'lolnewb' and 'l2play' stuff diminished after BC launched. As Classic WoW aged and the guilds became more and more locked in and stratified, the kind of caste system that led to those kind of put downs, more or less, went away. BC hit a giant reset button on guilds and raiding, and it changed things in such a way that you could arrive late to the party and still work your way up to the end-game. I felt that I couldn't do that it Classic (I even got /gkicked on the day Ahn'Qiraj opened on my server because I had to work and could only be online for two hours of it). The guilds which were on BWL, for example, required you to have done MC to join because you needed the gear. More and more, it felt like a closed system. There was no KZ or heroics to bootstrap you into raiding if you'd missed the first wave of raiding guilds who were clearing BC and beyond, and if you missed that first wave, it was going to be very, very difficult to catch up.It seemed that the guys in those raiding guilds had some propensity to be, shall we say, less than magnanimous about their success compared to others in combination of being the possessors of little patience.It seemed to be the worst when Naxx launched, and the raiders found themselves needing to grind Argent Dawn rep to get attuned to Naxx, and that meant doing Stratholme and Scholomance with guys who were still wearing quest greens. Someone trying to tank Scholo in quest greens with a Rogue who was in AQ gear who enjoyed ColdBlood empowered Ambushes on Krastinov led to many 'l2tank's as the rogue ripped aggro, got himself killed, and wiped the group.BC, among its other virtues, diminished that since it broke those guilds up and gave an alternate path to catch up if you missed a raiding tier.
9-27-2011 @ 6:12PM
"Wrath Baby" came about because Wrath changed the fundamental nature of instancing. In BC, crowd-control was a requirement unless you vastly out-geared the content. There was no "go go go" stuff - you marked up each pull carefully.In BC, AoE was bad. Tanks had very little AoE threat - only Paladins really had strong AoE. If the DPS went in all AoE-happy, they either broke CC or pulled aggro. Shattered Halls was a nightmare for non-Paladin tanks, and was often dual-tanked.In Wrath, AoE was good. Every pull, you just spammed your strongest AoE until everything died, and you whined and complained if the tank took a breath between pulls.As a tank in Wrath, if you did pause for the healer to get mana, the DPS would pull for you (that was inevitably fatal in BC). If they couldn't use their strongest AoE ability at the moment of the pull, they hurled abuse at the tank. It was all about speed runs, even though the instances themselves were far shorter than BC instances.The "Baby" part of Wrath Baby was all about entitlement. They felt they were entitled to speed-runs, and entitled to purples - even tier gear - and they wanted it NOW. Anything that impinged upon their entitlement was met with QQ - pretty much just like an infant.
9-27-2011 @ 9:10PM
Oh yes. I still refer to all of you as "expansionoobs."
9-28-2011 @ 12:28PM
"In BC, AoE was bad. Tanks had very little AoE threat - only Paladins really had strong AoE. If the DPS went in all AoE-happy, they either broke CC or pulled aggro. Shattered Halls was a nightmare for non-Paladin tanks, and was often dual-tanked."Just as importantly, Seed of Corruption was the only AoE ability that scaled enough to be useful on normal instance trash mobs. If you weren't a warlock, during BC you'd do more damage single target... just about always.AoE was also bad because even if your tank was good enough to hold threat over the healer on a big pack (no shockwave, thunderclap only hit four targets, and swipe only hit three) it was very unlikely that the healer could keep the tank up through the incoming damage, though of course that got better if you got a tank and/or healer with tier 5 or 6 gear. You single-targeted because that way the incoming damage went down faster.
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