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9-30-2011 @ 1:09PM
I like the Nostromo, but the Logitech G13 is basically a much-improved version of it.
9-30-2011 @ 1:52PM
I have to agree. I've used both extensively, and the Nostromo is a fantastic piece of hardware. But the sheer ability to customize even hand-written macros to buttons makes it the G13 just a much more appealing piece of hardware.But, everyone's got their preferences! I don't think you could go wrong with either.
9-30-2011 @ 1:53PM
Truth. The first thing I do after installing a new game is spend an hour getting my g13 setup right. And it's Logitech. I love my Razer stuff, but I've had to RMA every Razer product except my headset.
9-30-2011 @ 2:28PM
Yet another vote for the G13 > all. I've been known to spend over $1,000 on input devices in a year, as I'm very hard to please in that regard. I've used the n52, the n52TE, various Wolf products. However, the G13 I can honestly say, unconditionally, it's the best keypad I've ever used. Like Amrytale, there's not a single game in my library that I haven't set up a profile (or used a pre-existing one) for. I tend to configure as I play, though. Taking note as to where I'm reaching to hit whatever command I want to use and keybinding it there.In WoW specifically, I use the thumbstick for movement... It has many advantages, but the largest is tanking backwards. I don't have to be a contortionist to back up whilst still having access to all my ability keys. The G13 in concert with any 7ish button mouse will negate the need for a Naga (bought one, found I had nothing left to bind to the majority of the keys and gave it to a friend).So, yeah. TL;DR: G13 rox.(I can't wait to see what the next iteration is... However, as it took them 6 years to come out with a 'successor' for their last perfect product [z5500's], I'm not holding my breath.)
9-30-2011 @ 3:09PM
I respectfully disagree. The G13's main selling points are in fact its flaws. While it has more buttons than the Nostro, those 'more buttons' are poorly placed and several require moving your hand to hit unless you have monkey fingers. There is a very nice LCD screen. It shows information by your hand. This is about as useful as looking at your keyboard while you play. The analog thumbstick is responsive. However, I found it to be poking my thumb uncomfortably after a while, making it unpleasant to use for extended gaming sessions. The overall ergonomics of the unit required a flat hand profile. The natural shape of the hand is cupped, which meant the G13 was asking me to conform to it rather than supporting my hand. Overall, I found that for less money, the Nostromo hits the perfect combo of form and function, while eschewing distracting bells and whistles.
9-30-2011 @ 3:47PM
I've tried about every game pad ever made. I even still have my original nostromo. The fact is nothing compares to my ideazon (now steal series) fang. It's ugly, the software is finicky and out dated, but when it comes down too it no one has made a more comfortable or useful game pad. I even have a backup in case mine first one breaks. I just hope they write drivers for windows 8.
9-30-2011 @ 3:56PM
It honestly sounds as though you've looked at a picture of one, but have never used one. I don't have unusually large hands (I can span an octave+3 comfortably) and I have no issues whatsoever using all the keys without relocating my hand.Flat hand? It has a 30° upward slope with a 20° downward (eyeballed estimates). Your hand perfectly cups it, with the apex hitting right at the median line.The thumbstick poked you? Alright... That one I can't debate as everyone has a different description of tactile sensations, but how a soft rubber coated thumbstick, that you'd have to intentionally put your thumb in the way of if you weren't using it, can poke you is inconceivable to me.I will agree on the LCD panel being largely useless in a fast-paced game, but if I'm having to wait for a raid to start or having similar downtime, the news/stock ticker apps for it are a fun thing.I have no problems with a differing opinion, but at least get the facts straight.
9-30-2011 @ 4:06PM
Are either of these two keypads adjustable? I would love to switch, but I am a female with small hands, and I don't want to buy this only to realize that my fingers won't reach half the keys comfortably.
9-30-2011 @ 4:22PM
The G13 is not. The Nostromo can adjust the height and depth of the slope, but neither can adjust key placement.If you have a concern and have one around, I'd suggest picking it up from a retailer that has a hassle-free 30-90 return period like Best Buy or walmart.
@Wulf- I understand the thumbstick issue. It doesn't grip the finger, so you have to readjust it every once in a while, especially if you're whipping it back and forth.@lady.silverdragon- If you see one boxed at a Best Buy or something, G13s and Nostromos are both packaged in a plastic bubble IN a box, so you can test its size. Neither have dials or moveable parts like one of those Cyborg mice. That package design actually saved me some money- compared to most mice I've used, the Naga is SUPER small (which drives me nuts). Forget that.
9-30-2011 @ 4:25PM
Oh yeah, the Nostromo does have that moving bit. Forgot about that.
9-30-2011 @ 5:16PM
Half my guild are ladies with smaller hands, and they all use and swear by (not at) a Nostromo. They pull the wrist rest off entirely, and place a cloth or mouse wrist pad on the exposed base. It's glosy smooth, so it's not uncomfortable, just tends to get sweaty, bare plastic on skin and all.
9-30-2011 @ 10:39PM
@WulfI used a G13 for a week. I wanted to like it, I really did. This was during the time that the n52te was having issues with the diagonals on the dpad not working properly. I have normal size hands. I found that the far left and right keys required reaching further than necessary to hit them, unseating my hand from the default position. This defeats the point of an ergonomic input.My hand is perfectly cupped and supported on the Nostromo. On the G13, which does have a much slighter curve to it, I found I had to arc my hand to achieve a comfortable finger curvature for keypresses. Otherwise I was flat pressing which either stressed joints or risked pressing keys between the one I wanted and my palm.The thumbstick has a plastic nubbin at the top, no more than 1/4" across. It is also angled in such a way that to get a solid grip with my thumb, rather than simply pushing against it, I found it necessary to curve my hand again to get my thumb on top of the stick, resulting in the weight of my hand resting on my palm and the 1/4" nubbin. After an hour, this became uncomfortable. So yes, it poked.Thank you for getting my facts straight for me.
10-01-2011 @ 1:39AM
@GrendalshThat's why I stopped using the pad for movement after a day. I instead use the G4/10/11/12 keys exactly like my WASD keys, then turn 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 13, 14, 15-19 into keybinds, and 20 for Character Info, 21 for Talents, and 22 for Bags. The left thumb key is "Shift", the right is "Space".I instead use the thumbstick for more useful controls that don't have to be held down. Left is target nearest enemy (easy to repeatedly tap). Right is cycle through targets backwards. Down is my world map, and up pulls up a ring for raid markers (a feature with Elv's UI).Combine that with my Razer Naga, and there is literally no action key I don't have bound. It is glorious.But again. To each their own.
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