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10-04-2011 @ 7:37PM
Yup. We need an overhaul. I love Efflorescence, but I almost always find myself using it as Swiftmend, without thinking about the Efflo after that. Similarly, I'm never quite sure what to do with my Rejuvenation, especially in pug raids, since it's so often heal sniped. Sigh.... I wub wub wub my healing, but despite hearing that we're the best raid healers, I just don't feel like that sometimes.But what really annoys me is the glyph thing. Seriously, our other "good" options are Thorns and Innervate. Both of those are a huge mana no-no. My proposal for an alternate option is a Nourish glyph, which causes it to increase its healing by 6-8% per HoT instead of a flat 20% for any HoT. It'd make an interesting tank healing option. I'm not sure how to balance it, but I like the idea, and frankly, I'm going to be very pissed when I have to run with an empty glyph slot. It's like running with an empty meta socket.
10-04-2011 @ 8:00PM
Yeah. :/ Resto glyphs could use some love. Ideally nothing is nerfed to the degree that no one sees the point of using it anymore, and Innervate is pretty much in that exact position right now.Given the number of complaints related to the Swiftmend/Efflorescence thing, I think the odds of Blizzard decoupling the two spells is pretty high, so Efflorescence might turn into a sort of Healing Rain doppelganger. Whether that's a good thing or not is probably a question better directed to our shaman colleagues.It honestly feels like the druid is still stuck back in the Wrath mindset healing for a Cataclysm world. Good in some ways, not encouraging in others.
10-04-2011 @ 8:57PM
Sigh. Too true. We've been a great spec since vanilla, but now that we're roughly even with other healers, that lingering perception is holding us back, especially because our healing can be tracked as a very high throughput, even though that includes a lot of necessary overhealing and no damage reduction. So unfortunately, the natural result is that our healing looks better than it is, and we're also still very competitive even without that, which lends itself to making our class look overly nerfable.
10-04-2011 @ 9:20PM
If enough of us run around with empty glyph spots, maybe Blizzard will get the hint.... Or maybe not. :(
10-05-2011 @ 3:42AM
@Bellajtok: While I will agree that your throughput on meters is affected by the fact that some mitigation that other healers bring simply isn't capable of being tracked, it is -not- effected by your overhealing. Overhealing isn't counted on meters as throughput - the numbers that you are seeing is pure effective healing without ANY overhealing factored in. So I don't see how overhealing is padding your numbers.What's more, you aren't "roughly even." You're miles ahead of almost every other class and spec at the moment. In particular, you are FAR ahead of Restoration Shamans and Holy Priests, both in terms of pure throughput, and in terms of mana efficiency. There is a reason why Resto Druids are dominating - by a large margin - the healing charts at the moment. Go look at World of Logs. Tell me what classes you aren't seeing on the rated parses. Tell me what class is dominating every single one except for Baelroc.Then tell me again that you're "roughly even" with every other healer. When it would be better for a raid to, in almost every situation, sit a Shaman or a Holy Priest to take a Resto Druid, there's something wrong. It's just as wrong now as it was when it was better for the raid to SIT Resto Druids on Lich King.@Allison - Re: Efllo = Healing Rain - That would be a blessing and a curse. Healing Rain is extremely strong...when people are stacked. When people are not stacked, it blows. If they make it targetable, or intend to make it used similarly to Healing Rain, expect a throughput nerf to it.
10-05-2011 @ 7:46AM
We aren't talking about patch 4.2 numbers. We're talking about 4.3, where they gave really nice buffs to both shaman and holy priests to address their mechanic and output problems. They're also reverting resto druids back to the 4.0.1 Wild Growth version that caused us to get benched due to not having enough output at the same time that they're giving huge buffs to resto shaman and holy priests. Bringing up the two specs that need help shouldn't come at the expense of neutering druids to the point of being useless. That's not fair to anyone involved, but everyone still asks for a nerf bat to druids because they don't understand how druid healing actually works, and how bad HOTs actually are in comparison to direct heals and damage reduction cooldowns.What we all want is to be balanced. I would hapilly take the nerf to wild growth, and take a tranquility nerf if needed, just to have a direct AOE healing spell or a damage reduction cooldown.
10-05-2011 @ 8:02AM
Also, Efflorescence used to be a healing-rain copy that was tied to our regrowth direct healing spell. For some reason, Blizzard wanted it attached to an existing spell instead of being it's own spell.While we got mechanic changes that made it worthwhile (such as moving it to Swiftmend which caused us to have to give up our tank-cooldown to have an AOE heal), efflorescence as it stands is still a circle on the ground that people have to stand in to receive HOT healing from it and not really any better than Healing Rain in principle.
10-05-2011 @ 12:37PM
@Lissanna: Re: Healing Rain = Efflo:It is and it isn't.The reason I say that Efflo will likely get a throughput nerf if it is converted to be used like Healing Rain is that, at the moment, Efflo is a) a smart heal, and b) heals for quite a bit each "tick." Healing Rain is not a smart heal, and heals for quite a bit, but for slightly less each "tick" than Efflo. However, Healing Rain has a much larger range than Efflo, so I would imagine that the lower "tick" value is due to the fact that you can stack a LOT of people in its range. It also has a longer duration, enabling it to heal for more, over time, if people are damaged within its range (and, again, because it is a larger area, you're more likely to hit someone who needs healing during that time).For Resto Shaman, Healing Rain + Chain Heal on stack phases is one of the few things that makes us competitive on fights like Domo, Beth, and Rhyolith. Because we can control where it shows up (as opposed to what you guys go through, with the whole, "I SWIFTMENDED HIM BUT HE MOVED, THAT JERK"), we can basically set up exactly where we want people to stack (or where we KNOW people will stack, god bless raid markers) and know that we're going to get everyone in there, whereas a Resto Druid is going to use that Swiftmend WHEN NEEDED, regardless of whether Johnny Idiot is in the stack pile or not (because bars gotta go up, bro, whether that dumbass is in the fire or not, we needs everyone alive to get the boss down!).Basically, Efflo is incredibly good when you can get it down during a stack phase, but is held back by its mechanics. If they DO decouple it from Swiftmend (and I actually think they probably should, because I have great sympathy for ANY mechanic that I can't control the placement off - see SLT for why), I'm just saying expect a change to the mechanics, a possible reversal of the "smart heal" part, and a slight nerf to the individual "ticks" to bring it in line with Healing Rain.For the record, I -do- think that Regrowth should be buffed (even if it means a larger cost in mana), and I -do- think that Druids need some sort of tanking CD, or a buff to make them more effective single-target healers (although I have worked with an absolutely amazing Druid tank healer who was completely boss on many fights). However, until your raid dominance is addressed, I don't see how this can happen.Which is sad, because I think Druids also need some help in the raid healing area. While it is true that you guys are a huge pain in the ass to OOM and lock down, once someone's on you, you are toast - your healing simply can't keep you alive long enough for teammates to help.
10-05-2011 @ 12:39PM
"Druids need some help in the ARENA healing area."WTB Edit button...PST with price, pls. -_-
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