Know Your Lore: The Shattering, part 1
The World of Warcraft is an expansive universe. You're playing the game, you're fighting the bosses, you know the how -- but do you know the why? Each week, Matthew Rossi and Anne Stickney make sure you Know Your Lore by covering the history of the story behind World of Warcraft.
On Nov. 22, 2010, millions of players logged in to World of Warcraft to view the old world one final time. Whether venturing to out-of-the-way spots, running around the park in Stormwind, or saying goodbye to Magni Bronzebeard and Cairne Bloodhoof, every player was well aware that the next day, these locations and people would no longer exist. As for me, my guild leader took those of us who wished to go on a romp around the hidden places in Azeroth that many had never before seen and would never see again.
On Nov. 23, players logged on to find an entirely different, harsher world waiting for them. Orgrimmar was transformed into a bristling fortress of iron and steel. Stormwind's façade was forever marred by the charred claw marks of Deathwing, and the lovely park nestled in the corner of the mighty city had been torched and fallen away into the sea below. In Ironforge, the city was now ruled by a council of three; in Orgrimmar, a new Warchief sat on the throne. In Thunder Bluff, Baine Bloodhoof now stood in the place of honor once reserved for his father Cairne.
For those who read the novel The Shattering by Christie Golden, all these events made perfect sense. For those who hadn't picked up the book, the resounding question asked was a simple "What happened?"
Today's Know Your Lore contains pretty much every possible spoiler that exists for the novel The Shattering by Christie Golden. If you've been putting off picking up the book and giving it a read and would like to remain unspoiled, I would highly suggest turning away now.
Prologue
Once the mighty elder shaman and chieftain of the Frostwolf Clan, Drek'Thar had seemingly withered in his old age. The War of Nightmare presented in Stormrage had taken its toll on the old shaman. While Drek'Thar had always experienced dreams and visions, after the War, the dreams were far stronger than they used to be -- though as of late, they were less dream, more nightmare.
A dream of the world splintering into pieces woke the shaman, and he demanded that his attendant Palkar deliver a message to Thrall at once. Though Palkar held great respect for the chieftain, he urged Drek'Thar to go back to sleep. Drek'Thar's visions were disturbing but often untrue -- he'd had a horrific vision of Orcs sabotaging a meeting between Night Elf and Tauren druids in Ashenvale months before and demanded that runners be sent to intercept. The runners had been sent, but there was nothing there -- except the growing suspicion of the Night Elves, who wondered why any would make such a ludicrous claim.
The land will weep ...
Meanwhile, the war in Northrend was over. The Lich King had been defeated, and the troops that had been fighting for so long could at last take the long trip home. Cairne Bloodhoof made the long journey to Northrend to pick up the last of the army, including Garrosh Hellscream. Though Garrosh took after his father a little too much for Cairne's liking, Cairne had to admit that his leadership in Northrend had lit a fire in the hearts of the Orcish race -- something they desperately needed.
Brash, headstrong and blunt, Grom's son was an effective leader, just as willing to cart crates of supplies to Cairne's ships as he was to order a fleet into Icecrown Citadel. It was this Garrosh the armies of Northrend had embraced -- an Orc who was a fierce, ruthless leader yet didn't raise himself above anyone else. But Garrosh still had plenty working against him -- the same brash tendencies that led the Northrend forces to victory time and time again also led to a clash between Garrosh and Varian Wrynn in the heart of Dalaran, one that threatened to ruin whatever tentative threads of peace the two factions had founded for good.
As for High Overlord Varok Saurfang, he would not return with Garrosh and the rest of the forces, instead content to stay behind and mop up the few remaining Scourge that remained. Once the Scourge were cleared, Saurfang would remain, living out his retirement in the wilds that had claimed the life of his son not once but twice.
But it wasn't a peaceful retreat from Northrend. The Kvaldir attacked as the fleet attempted to leave, claiming a few last lives from those who had traveled to Northrend. And a swift, torrential storm had followed, then dissipated just as quickly as it had arrived. Though Cairne was bewildered by the strange ferocity of the instantaneous storm, his attentions were drawn away when Garrosh noticed an Alliance ship flying the flag of Stormwind and desperately trying to keep itself afloat. To Cairne's dismay, Garrosh ordered their ship to attack.
To Cairne's further dismay, the crew of the ship agreed wholeheartedly with Garrosh's decision. Despite Cairne's protests that the Alliance ship had probably been swept into Horde waters in the storm and that it wasn't even capable of defending itself, the crew opened fire and quickly tore through the Alliance ship. After capturing and baiting the Alliance captain, Garrosh set him and the few crew who survived free with minimal supplies and a rowboat to get them back to shore.
Though Garrosh may have been a great leader in Northrend, he had much to learn about respect and honor. But the return home to Orgrimmar was a victorious one highlighted by a march through the heart of the city -- one in which nearly every member of the fighting forces in Northrend participated. Almost every member -- the Sin'dorei and Forsaken were noticeably absent from the march, both races having their own problems to deal with on the Eastern Kingdoms. But the Orcs, Trolls and Tauren gladly took part in the march, and Orgrimmar erupted in cheers when Garrosh Hellscream at last came through the gates.
It was a celebration, the entire city coming together to cheer and drink and carry on. Warchief Thrall led the festivities by presenting Garrosh with his father's axe, Gorehowl. Thrall hadn't been idle while the ships returned, however; he'd been investigating the strange storm that nearly toppled the Horde fleet, as well as an array of other equally mystifying events -- droughts, storms, fires, all curiously uncommon and unnatural for the time of year. Hamuul Runetotem suggested that he and the other Tauren druids could speak with the Night Elves and see if they'd noticed anything unusual.
This didn't sit well with Garrosh. But Thrall attempted to soothe Garrosh's temper by letting him know that his service to the Horde would not go unrewarded. In between the dealings with the unusual elements, Thrall had still been trying to find a place for the younger Hellscream, and he would not be forgotten. This irritated Garrosh even further. After all, he'd led the forces in Northrend to victory. Why should he be placed in a much smaller role, after all that he'd done for the Horde?
Quick to pick up on this fact was Magatha Grimtotem, leader of the Grimtotem Tauren -- a branch that had not allied itself with the Horde and was only barely neutral to the rest of the Tauren race. With sweet words, Magatha quietly implied to Garrosh that should be come into a position of power, the Grimtotem would be far more likely to join the Horde and follow him in earnest. It gave Garrosh entirely too much food for thought.
The end of an era
Meanwhile in Stormwind, a service was being held for the dead -- and as Jaina Proudmoore tallied the numbers, she was horrified. The losses in Northrend were known to be great, but a total of perhaps 40,000 to 50,000 people had died. The services were interrupted by the arrival of two Night Elf Sentinels, who quickly caught the attention of Proudmoore and King Varian Wrynn, and they left the ceremony.
The Sentinels were there to deliver sickening news: Sentinels who had been assigned to guard a convoy of supplies were brutally murdered -- not just murdered, but outright slaughtered. The skins of the Sentinels were found hanging from the trees, the rest of the bodies having been chopped up and left for the carrion birds. On the skins, painted in the Sentinels' own blood, was the symbol of the Horde.
Jaina was taken aback, convinced that there was no way that this could have been authorized by Thrall, but Varian was quick to place the blame firmly on the Warchief. When Jaina attempted to remind him that Thrall was no more responsible for all the Orcs than Varian was responsible for the Defias, Varian snapped. Though Varian's odd ordeal of being split into two physical bodies had ended, he was still very much two men in one body -- the wise ruler Varian, and the bloodthirsty and rash warrior Lo'Gosh. It was Lo'Gosh who then taunted Jaina about her poor decisions with Arthas, needling her to the core -- and it was Varian's son Anduin who happened to walk in at that precise moment.
In an instant, Varian was back to himself, but the damage had been done. Anduin had been dealing with his father's dual nature for far too long, and it was wearing on the young man. Varian was well aware of the toll his odd personality was taking on his son, and after apologizing to Jaina, Proudmoore came up with an idea. She gave Anduin a hearthstone bound to Theramore, so that he could visit her when he saw fit. Anduin was delighted, and Jaina returned home.
But she wasn't home on pleasure. Instead, she had scheduled a meeting with Thrall to discuss the incident in Ashenvale. Varian had sent a courier to Thrall, demanding that he apologize for the actions of his people and turn over those responsible for the slaughter. While Thrall was happy enough to see Jaina, to her dismay, he replied that while he would return a note stating his disapproval of the incident, he would not be offering an apology. Nor would he be turning over the criminals.
The Horde handled Horde matters -- and the Horde, despite Thrall's disapproval of the events, were cheering at the incident. Ever since settling in Durotar, the Horde had struggled with trying to come up with enough resources, food and water to survive. When the Night Elves dissolved the trade agreement that they'd forged with the Horde, that struggle became even more difficult. Thrall knew that whatever his personal opinions were, he could not by any means turn those responsible over to the Alliance; to do so would undermine any authority he had as Warchief.
Jaina was unhappy about this, but she understood. When she returned to Theramore, she found Anduin waiting for her -- and the clever boy figured out that she'd met with Thrall before she could even say anything. They spoke of the discussion between her and the Warchief, and Anduin made it home just in time for dinner, where his father waited for him with more news. Though Varian liked the idea of Anduin getting out of the kingdom every now and again, he wasn't entirely sure sending Anduin to Jaina was a good idea.
On top of this, Anduin, while smart and growing fast, wasn't particularly proficient with weapons. In an effort to guide Anduin to someone who could help, Varian suggested Anduin spend some time in Ironforge with Magni Bronzebeard. Anduin, excited about the possibility of delving through the tomes of the Explorer's League, agreed -- and Varian quietly planned for Anduin to receive weapons training as well.
But Anduin wasn't the only one making a trip. The incident in Ashenvale had given Warchief Thrall much to think about. Thrall could never condone those kinds of actions, yet his people did so wholeheartedly. And on top of this were the continuing oddities of the elements, brought fully to light when a fire raged through Orgrimmar, the flames unresponsive and outright refusing to be swayed by the pleas of the shaman who tried to soothe the blaze. Thrall could no longer ignore the strange actions of the elements. Something had to be done -- and he could do it, but not as Warchief. As a shaman.
And so Thrall planned a trip to a land where the elements once raged against the world -- Outland. By traveling to Nagrand, he could try to decipher what was going on in Azeroth and pay a visit to his grandmother as well. But he could not leave the Horde on its own; it required a leader. His first two picks, Cairne and Saurfang, were both far too old to take such a responsibility, and Saurfang had suffered far too much in Northrend. There was no way Thrall could ask him to return to Orgrimmar after all he'd been through.
In fact, the only logical decision for a temporary leader was plain as day. Though Thrall didn't want to admit it, there was an Orc who the citizens of Orgrimmar -- the citizens of the Horde -- had followed all the way through Northrend. They'd cried his name in triumph when he had made his victorious return. They looked upon him as a hero, a natural-born leader who had brought glory and honor to the entire Horde in the direst of situations. It was the only choice that Thrall could make -- the only choice that would make the citizens of the Horde happy.
He had to ask Garrosh Hellscream and deal with the aftermath of that situation, whatever that might be, upon his return.
For more information on related subjects, please look at these other Know Your Lore entries:
While you don't need to have played the previous Warcraft games to enjoy World of Warcraft, a little history goes a long way toward making the game a lot more fun. Dig into even more of the lore and history behind the World of Warcraft in WoW Insider's Guide to Warcraft Lore.
On Nov. 22, 2010, millions of players logged in to World of Warcraft to view the old world one final time. Whether venturing to out-of-the-way spots, running around the park in Stormwind, or saying goodbye to Magni Bronzebeard and Cairne Bloodhoof, every player was well aware that the next day, these locations and people would no longer exist. As for me, my guild leader took those of us who wished to go on a romp around the hidden places in Azeroth that many had never before seen and would never see again.
On Nov. 23, players logged on to find an entirely different, harsher world waiting for them. Orgrimmar was transformed into a bristling fortress of iron and steel. Stormwind's façade was forever marred by the charred claw marks of Deathwing, and the lovely park nestled in the corner of the mighty city had been torched and fallen away into the sea below. In Ironforge, the city was now ruled by a council of three; in Orgrimmar, a new Warchief sat on the throne. In Thunder Bluff, Baine Bloodhoof now stood in the place of honor once reserved for his father Cairne.
For those who read the novel The Shattering by Christie Golden, all these events made perfect sense. For those who hadn't picked up the book, the resounding question asked was a simple "What happened?"
Today's Know Your Lore contains pretty much every possible spoiler that exists for the novel The Shattering by Christie Golden. If you've been putting off picking up the book and giving it a read and would like to remain unspoiled, I would highly suggest turning away now.

Once the mighty elder shaman and chieftain of the Frostwolf Clan, Drek'Thar had seemingly withered in his old age. The War of Nightmare presented in Stormrage had taken its toll on the old shaman. While Drek'Thar had always experienced dreams and visions, after the War, the dreams were far stronger than they used to be -- though as of late, they were less dream, more nightmare.
A dream of the world splintering into pieces woke the shaman, and he demanded that his attendant Palkar deliver a message to Thrall at once. Though Palkar held great respect for the chieftain, he urged Drek'Thar to go back to sleep. Drek'Thar's visions were disturbing but often untrue -- he'd had a horrific vision of Orcs sabotaging a meeting between Night Elf and Tauren druids in Ashenvale months before and demanded that runners be sent to intercept. The runners had been sent, but there was nothing there -- except the growing suspicion of the Night Elves, who wondered why any would make such a ludicrous claim.

Meanwhile, the war in Northrend was over. The Lich King had been defeated, and the troops that had been fighting for so long could at last take the long trip home. Cairne Bloodhoof made the long journey to Northrend to pick up the last of the army, including Garrosh Hellscream. Though Garrosh took after his father a little too much for Cairne's liking, Cairne had to admit that his leadership in Northrend had lit a fire in the hearts of the Orcish race -- something they desperately needed.
Brash, headstrong and blunt, Grom's son was an effective leader, just as willing to cart crates of supplies to Cairne's ships as he was to order a fleet into Icecrown Citadel. It was this Garrosh the armies of Northrend had embraced -- an Orc who was a fierce, ruthless leader yet didn't raise himself above anyone else. But Garrosh still had plenty working against him -- the same brash tendencies that led the Northrend forces to victory time and time again also led to a clash between Garrosh and Varian Wrynn in the heart of Dalaran, one that threatened to ruin whatever tentative threads of peace the two factions had founded for good.
As for High Overlord Varok Saurfang, he would not return with Garrosh and the rest of the forces, instead content to stay behind and mop up the few remaining Scourge that remained. Once the Scourge were cleared, Saurfang would remain, living out his retirement in the wilds that had claimed the life of his son not once but twice.

To Cairne's further dismay, the crew of the ship agreed wholeheartedly with Garrosh's decision. Despite Cairne's protests that the Alliance ship had probably been swept into Horde waters in the storm and that it wasn't even capable of defending itself, the crew opened fire and quickly tore through the Alliance ship. After capturing and baiting the Alliance captain, Garrosh set him and the few crew who survived free with minimal supplies and a rowboat to get them back to shore.
Though Garrosh may have been a great leader in Northrend, he had much to learn about respect and honor. But the return home to Orgrimmar was a victorious one highlighted by a march through the heart of the city -- one in which nearly every member of the fighting forces in Northrend participated. Almost every member -- the Sin'dorei and Forsaken were noticeably absent from the march, both races having their own problems to deal with on the Eastern Kingdoms. But the Orcs, Trolls and Tauren gladly took part in the march, and Orgrimmar erupted in cheers when Garrosh Hellscream at last came through the gates.

This didn't sit well with Garrosh. But Thrall attempted to soothe Garrosh's temper by letting him know that his service to the Horde would not go unrewarded. In between the dealings with the unusual elements, Thrall had still been trying to find a place for the younger Hellscream, and he would not be forgotten. This irritated Garrosh even further. After all, he'd led the forces in Northrend to victory. Why should he be placed in a much smaller role, after all that he'd done for the Horde?
Quick to pick up on this fact was Magatha Grimtotem, leader of the Grimtotem Tauren -- a branch that had not allied itself with the Horde and was only barely neutral to the rest of the Tauren race. With sweet words, Magatha quietly implied to Garrosh that should be come into a position of power, the Grimtotem would be far more likely to join the Horde and follow him in earnest. It gave Garrosh entirely too much food for thought.

Meanwhile in Stormwind, a service was being held for the dead -- and as Jaina Proudmoore tallied the numbers, she was horrified. The losses in Northrend were known to be great, but a total of perhaps 40,000 to 50,000 people had died. The services were interrupted by the arrival of two Night Elf Sentinels, who quickly caught the attention of Proudmoore and King Varian Wrynn, and they left the ceremony.
The Sentinels were there to deliver sickening news: Sentinels who had been assigned to guard a convoy of supplies were brutally murdered -- not just murdered, but outright slaughtered. The skins of the Sentinels were found hanging from the trees, the rest of the bodies having been chopped up and left for the carrion birds. On the skins, painted in the Sentinels' own blood, was the symbol of the Horde.
Jaina was taken aback, convinced that there was no way that this could have been authorized by Thrall, but Varian was quick to place the blame firmly on the Warchief. When Jaina attempted to remind him that Thrall was no more responsible for all the Orcs than Varian was responsible for the Defias, Varian snapped. Though Varian's odd ordeal of being split into two physical bodies had ended, he was still very much two men in one body -- the wise ruler Varian, and the bloodthirsty and rash warrior Lo'Gosh. It was Lo'Gosh who then taunted Jaina about her poor decisions with Arthas, needling her to the core -- and it was Varian's son Anduin who happened to walk in at that precise moment.

But she wasn't home on pleasure. Instead, she had scheduled a meeting with Thrall to discuss the incident in Ashenvale. Varian had sent a courier to Thrall, demanding that he apologize for the actions of his people and turn over those responsible for the slaughter. While Thrall was happy enough to see Jaina, to her dismay, he replied that while he would return a note stating his disapproval of the incident, he would not be offering an apology. Nor would he be turning over the criminals.
The Horde handled Horde matters -- and the Horde, despite Thrall's disapproval of the events, were cheering at the incident. Ever since settling in Durotar, the Horde had struggled with trying to come up with enough resources, food and water to survive. When the Night Elves dissolved the trade agreement that they'd forged with the Horde, that struggle became even more difficult. Thrall knew that whatever his personal opinions were, he could not by any means turn those responsible over to the Alliance; to do so would undermine any authority he had as Warchief.

On top of this, Anduin, while smart and growing fast, wasn't particularly proficient with weapons. In an effort to guide Anduin to someone who could help, Varian suggested Anduin spend some time in Ironforge with Magni Bronzebeard. Anduin, excited about the possibility of delving through the tomes of the Explorer's League, agreed -- and Varian quietly planned for Anduin to receive weapons training as well.
But Anduin wasn't the only one making a trip. The incident in Ashenvale had given Warchief Thrall much to think about. Thrall could never condone those kinds of actions, yet his people did so wholeheartedly. And on top of this were the continuing oddities of the elements, brought fully to light when a fire raged through Orgrimmar, the flames unresponsive and outright refusing to be swayed by the pleas of the shaman who tried to soothe the blaze. Thrall could no longer ignore the strange actions of the elements. Something had to be done -- and he could do it, but not as Warchief. As a shaman.

In fact, the only logical decision for a temporary leader was plain as day. Though Thrall didn't want to admit it, there was an Orc who the citizens of Orgrimmar -- the citizens of the Horde -- had followed all the way through Northrend. They'd cried his name in triumph when he had made his victorious return. They looked upon him as a hero, a natural-born leader who had brought glory and honor to the entire Horde in the direst of situations. It was the only choice that Thrall could make -- the only choice that would make the citizens of the Horde happy.
He had to ask Garrosh Hellscream and deal with the aftermath of that situation, whatever that might be, upon his return.
For more information on related subjects, please look at these other Know Your Lore entries:
- Go'el, son of Durotan
- Jaina Proudmoore
- Garrosh Hellscream, part 1 and part 2
- King Varian Wrynn
- Cairne Bloodhoof
While you don't need to have played the previous Warcraft games to enjoy World of Warcraft, a little history goes a long way toward making the game a lot more fun. Dig into even more of the lore and history behind the World of Warcraft in WoW Insider's Guide to Warcraft Lore.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 2)
Marcosius Oct 9th 2011 6:34PM
"They looked upon him as a hero, a natural-born leader who had brought glory and honor to the entire Horde in the direst of situations. "
Except Horde was more dishonorable than ever in Wrath, with the infamous attack on alliance's back when they were fighting the scourge. Quest of which MANY players simply refused to do, to "avenge" these "heroes." Many more examples of course where Horde commanders were just being dicks because they could.
Sarog Oct 9th 2011 8:24PM
This short story goes into detail on Horde leadership's reaction to the broken front incident. You should read it for perspective.
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/lore/leader-story/garrosh-hellscream/1
Aside from that, your comment doesn't invalidate the section you quoted. Player perceptions, founded in modern morality, are not at all the same thing as the cultural values of the Horde. Regardless of what players think of him, the reasoning and justifications behind his popularity in lore are perfectly solid.
Zanaji Oct 10th 2011 11:34AM
To note two examples off the top of my head, http://www.wowhead.com/quest=12085 when you turn in the letter to Overlord Agmar, he implys that he's going to blackmail you for something he told you to do. He was to me a sterling example of the type of commanders that Garrosh promoted. See also Conqueror Krenna.
SamLowry Oct 10th 2011 12:34PM
"Regardless of what players think of him, the reasoning and justifications behind his popularity in lore are perfectly solid."
But the lore is written by modern people with the modern sensibilities shared by the players who created Horde characters, so to tell the players "You might not like it, but the Horde do" is like telling them either a) everyone else likes our ideas except you delusional freaks who voted for Basic Campfire, or b) As Horde, this is what you're supposed to like, or c) This is what we like--we don't care what you like.
Michaeljohncleary Oct 9th 2011 6:41PM
It would be much more satisfying to read that Thrall chose Garrosh over Cairne because he was an Orc and Cairne's not... And that well, Thrall favor's his own kind...
Not because, that would be the right choice, but it would be the natural rationale. It would also help to make Thrall a little more realistic... rather than the Ghandi/Babe Ruth / Alexander the Great / MLK jr combination he's portrayed as.
vocenoctum Oct 9th 2011 9:50PM
Well, truthfully, it'd seem that an orc HAS to be warchief. The Blood elves and forsaken aren't really in the faction as more than convenience, and the orcs wouldn't follow anyone else but an orc I'd think.
The trolls, tauren and goblins might like a leader of their own, but they'll follow an orc if needbe. The trolls and goblins aren't even in a very stable spot to begin with, I think, but that's hard to judge.
Tyrrax Oct 9th 2011 7:27PM
A lot of this can be seen in Northrend on the Horde side. The entire storyline in Borean Tundra is basically cleaning up after Garrosh and his unending string of stupid rash decisions. I fine if funny, upon arriving at Agmar's Hammer and reading the note from Saurfang. It's proof that some in the orc camp don't agree with Garrosh but it's never followed up with anything. Then we get the shitstorm of what happened at the Wrathgate and both sides ended up fighting each other yet again over who would get the shot at Arthas.
As a Horde player, what I want next expansion is to kill Garrosh. But not Garrosh as a boss. I want to kill him while he sits on the throne as Warchief. I want a rebellion.
Mperiolat Oct 9th 2011 9:41PM
You do realize there is already internal rebellion, right? And frankly, Garrosh has sewn the seeds for it right around his own front door.
Vol'jin and the Darkspears do not like Garrosh at ALL. It goes beyond Vol'jin being passed over for the Warchief role, Vol'jin flat out does not like Garrosh and has told him as much to his face, suggesting that when Garrosh goes down, it will be Vol'jin's knife in his back. Add to that that Vol'jin has gone outside the Horde for help with the troll uprisings and you might guess the Trolls are fairy discontent.
The Forsaken (who everyone likes to pick on, including Garrosh) have been in the Horde doghouse ever since Wrathgate and rest assured, relations have probably gotten worse, not better, with Thrall gone. Whatever Sylvanas and her crew are up to this days, Garrosh is not invited to the party.
Then there's the blood elves, who are just getting ignored by everyone.
OK, they have no reason to be mad at Garrosh, but they are being basically shut out of any real relationship with the Horde. By design or otherwise, why would they have any loyalty to something they are barely a part of? If an uprising comes, especially if the Forsaken are involved, more than likely the blood elves will side with Sylvanas.
In a nutshell, all Garrosh really has of the original Horde are the orcs (obviously, those who agree with him over Thrall), the tauren (Carine is not in a position right now to dispute what is going on, plus he's still got the Grimtotem to worry about) and the goblins (and even they are in the Horde more out of allegiance to Thrall). It is a MUCH weaker collective than what we saw just an expansion ago.
All that being said, if a fracture or serious rebellion is coming in the Horde, it may not be in the next expansion. It just feels too soon, plus Blizzard has to decide what role Thrall will play in the Horde after the fall of Deathwing. He cannot (nor would he ever want to) go back to just being Warchief again. It will be someone else, be it Garrosh or an unknown party, but it will not be Thrall again. Then again, as a shaman and following orc traditions, as an elder, it may fall upon him to be a spiritual leader, which could still lead to a fracture.
Lots of stream of thought there, so I apologize. Suffice to say: yes, something is coming, but we know not when or who.
Luke Oct 9th 2011 10:35PM
I'm convinced that by the end of this expansion / beginning of the next Garrosh will play a pivotal role in some kind of major change. He's the son of Grom, who was the first to drink the blood of Mannoroth. And though Grom and Thrall killed the demon, I get the feeling this story isn't over. It's kind of Blizzard's m.o. to continue certain themes in a cyclic manner.
In many ways Garrosh is still carrying the sins of his father, and in a much more direct manner than other Orcs. Much in the same way Sylvanas is still tortured by the life she lost at the hands of Arthas, even though he was defeated. Her people, are still haunted by their past and the effects of the Lich King. Given that the Burning Legion is still a threat, however distant or forgotten, it really seems as though Blizzard may be going somewhere with these stories.
I think Mperiolat is on to something however. If there is a schism in the Horde it would be the perfect tie in for the introduction of neutral factions. Do you follow Vol'jin? Or do you remain loyal to the Horde? Is your Panderian Monk friendly to the Alliance or does it prefer to stay neutral? The only problem with this is Night Elves hate Trolls, Trolls hate the Forsaken, the Forsaken are disliked by everyone, and if there is some huge in faction schism it makes you wonder what would come of it all.
Idran Oct 9th 2011 11:48PM
...Babe Ruth?
meldergohjunling27011986 Oct 10th 2011 1:04AM
mm if im not mistaken, Garrosh is actually older than Thrall in term of the lore timeline...not younger..
viciouspen Oct 10th 2011 3:20AM
I've always very much liked Thrall, that's being said as someone who almost exclusively plays as dedicated Alliance.
I'd have to say I'd have preferred seeing Cairne as warchief over Garrosh despite age. Cairne as well always seemed respectable. Voljin, third choice, he hates Garrosh so he can't be all bad.
The thing that happened with the sentinels is an example of why I don't think i could ever play horde much. There are aspects to the horde I like and find very honorable, but, you have that kind of thing, the forsaken, just too much evil seeming things to make you feel like you're fighting for the good guys, or even the okay guys, more like "hey theses are the guys that are trying to destroy nature, the environment, and a plague to destroy all life as we know it, so what was the point of defeating the lich king with these people around?".
Varian Wynn, I've always been torn about him. In some ways it seems to me as if he and Thrall should eventually see eye to eye and be almost brotherly if not at least friendly as both of them have similarities that no one but the other can understand regarding their pasts. I'd love to see a lot more in game done with Varian so we can connect with the guy a bit more.
His son Anduin, I has to say I see him as king, as a very true ruler as that kid is incredibly wise.
viciouspen Oct 10th 2011 4:13AM
Although come to think about it, the Horde should love Varian as the orcs and the horde itself only exists today because he took pity on them and spared their lives.
I've always loved that bit of lore.
zfrazier929 Oct 10th 2011 9:24AM
Except the Horde aren't trying to destroy everything (except the Forsaken, of course. They just want to watch the world burn). They're centered in Durotar, which is severely lacking in natural resources. It's basically a wasteland. The Horde want Ashenvale purely for its lumber.
Also, about the Sentinel massacre: (SPOILER ALERT) the Horde was framed. They had nothing to do with it. It was an attempt by the Twilight's Hammer to keep the Alliance and Horde occupied long enough for Deathwing to break free.
Pemberton Oct 10th 2011 7:29AM
I finished this book the day before Cataclysm came out. It was okay. The stories were good for my understanding of the game, but the writing was nothing special. Glad to have read it though.
It WAS better that the Lich King book, which started out strong and the fell apart in the second half.
Orrine Oct 10th 2011 9:42AM
Anne, have you see sound files transcripts from Fangs of the Father at mmo-champion?
Wrathion at the end of questline says that he's the last black dragon (apparently he can sense other ones). But we didn't know anything about fate of Sabellian. I'm afraid Blizzard is going make another mistake with lore just like they did with Sargers-eredar plot line. Now we need another Red Shirt Guy :)
Anne Stickney Oct 12th 2011 4:36AM
He actually says that to his knowledge, he is the only one that remains. So he is. As far as he knows. Unfortunately, he doesn't know about Sabellian.
Anne Stickney Oct 12th 2011 4:37AM
(And do you really think a rogue that's just in it for the daggers is gonna tell the guy and make their job even longer? :D )