Drama Mamas: A guide to when and how to leave your guild
The most popular question we get goes something like this: "X is happening in my guild, but I really like the rest of my guildmates. Should I leave?" We've covered this many times throughout the history of this column, but things changed quite a bit once Guild Rewards were introduced in Cataclysm. Also, we're now going through one of those pre-patch/expansion slumps (though the excitement from BlizzCon may rejuvenate interest for a bit).
So this week is an update of our guild leaving advice -- both when to leave and how.
Should you stay or should you go now?
When you are trying to make it work with your guild, there are a few things you must remember:
- This is your leisure time. If your stress-relieving activity is doing the opposite, you need to make a change.
- You can't change other people.
- You are the only person you can control.
- You want to raid and have time to do it, but your current guild doesn't raid.
- You want to raid but there is no room in your guild's raid for you and there isn't a second string for you to participate in.
- Your guild wants to become a raid guild when it used to be casual and you aren't ready to raid.
- The guild leader is horrible. It doesn't matter how great your perks and rep are. Escape!
- If your significant other has been hotchatting with a guildie, it's time for you both to leave -- if you want to salvage your relationship.
- Your raid leader is horrible and verbally abusive.
- You are not having fun.
- You severely dislike or disapprove of another player who is supported by the guild.
- You have a disruptive player in the guild and the GM won't do anything about it.
- The culture of your guild changes and you don't like it.
- You have a personality conflict with a fellow guildie who is never going to quit or be kicked out of the guild.
- Your GM makes a decision that offends the majority of the guild.
- You are hoping to be invited back and you are ashamed or embarrassed.
- You have a fight with your friend who is also a guildie and want to quit in a huff.
- You issue an ultimatum and have to quit because your guild calls your bluff. (Just don't use ultimatums to get your way.)
The right way to leave a guild
So you've decided to leave your guild (regardless of the validity of your reason). Here's how to do it in a drama-free fashion -- which I have only slightly changed from our previous column about leaving guilds.
- Don't fuel the rumor mill. There's no breaking the news gently here, and there's no talking it over to get a feel for things if you're still merely considering a move. Do not open the "I've been thinking ..." door. You'll open up a rat's nest of gossip, political maneuvering and guilt-inducing begging you to stay. This is your decision; make it on your own, and go public only when you're ready to make it happen.
- Use official channels. Once you've decided a move is the right thing to do, go straight to your GM (guild master or guild leader) or a guild officer.
- Be brief but honest. Example: "I've decided to move to another guild, where I'll be playing with a good friend. I've really enjoyed my time here and appreciate all the help and guidance you've given me along the way. Thanks for having me!"
- If hard feelings erupt, don't burn bridges. "I have such limited time to play that I think I'd be a better fit with a guild on a more active raiding schedule" is better than "You lied to me about wanting to raid, your members suck Cracked Eggs and I can't wait to be outta here."
- Fall back on a letter. If you're simply too uncomfortable to speak with your GM or an officer in person, send an in-game note or private message on the guild forums.
- Be discreet. Timing your /gquit for a time of day when fewer members will be online to take notice helps minimize awkwardness.
- No matter what, make contact somewhere. If none of the leadership is online and you need to /gquit right then and there in order to start activities with your new guild, make your brief but honest statement (see above) in guildchat, and follow up with a note (in game or on your guild forums) to the GM.
- If you are an officer in your current guild This makes leaving a bit tougher, because you theoretically have some say in the direction and guidance of your guild. The solution is simple, however. Along with Lisa's suggestions, make sure you have someone to recommend as a replacement. In fact, it is almost always a good idea, in work or in play, to groom a replacement so that you can be promoted or move on when the opportunity arises.
- If you are the guild leader Do not transfer leadership to your alt or to anyone else who is not active in your old guild. Your old guild needs a resident leader to thrive. Pick an active and capable successor, transfer leadership and move on with your fun.
- If you are in a leveling guild The guild that never quite makes it to being an endgame guild is is a story that is so common, it is more of the rule than the exception. Every day in trade chat and newbie zones, you hear guilds recruiting with almost the same sales pitch: "[Insert Guildname Here] looking for all levels. We are a helpful, level X guild. We will raid once we get enough people to max level. PST!" And every day, people level up, get some 5-mans in and move on to an endgame guild. These friendly leveling guilds rarely get enough people together who want to raid in the time frame they originally hoped for. Leave an alt or two in this guild and help them out when you have time, but don't give up raiding for them.
- If you are leaving behind good friends You aren't leaving anyone, actually. If you know them in the physical world or otherwise trust them with your most personal of information, you can keep in touch via Real ID. If you remain on the same server, you can keep them on your friends list. And, of course, there's always email, messaging and social networks. Just make sure to privately explain to them your reasons before you leave. If they don't understand, then they aren't really your good friends anyway.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Drama Mamas, Guilds






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Blazing Rain Oct 24th 2011 8:08PM
I like to leave corrupt guilds abruptly, taking the decent people with me to a new guild.
Gendou Oct 24th 2011 8:33PM
Have you done this often?
humperdinck Oct 26th 2011 5:41PM
I wonder how they got corrupted.
Caylynn Oct 24th 2011 8:09PM
Yay Muppets!
As someone who had to leave a guild once (one of the officers was verbally abusive, the guild leader wouldn't do anything about it and so I chose to leave), I have to say that is good advice.
Luke Oct 24th 2011 8:13PM
So you're saying I shouldn't rearrange items in the guild bank to make phalic symbols and imply in gchat that the officers have been considering cutting two "unknown" raiders from the roster because the "unknown" raiders are too ugly to raid with the guild, before g-quitting and smearing the guild in trade chat?
Jeez, y'all take the fun out of everything.
Gendou Oct 24th 2011 8:35PM
I thought rearranging the items in the guild bank into phallic symbols was why we had so much bank space to begin with...
Arrohon Oct 24th 2011 9:20PM
idk, maybe you can still reorganize the bank. Just don't throw in a bunch of loinclothes the second before you /gquit
Den Oct 24th 2011 8:20PM
I somewhat disagree with leaving a guild because you want to raid. You shouldn't be joining guilds for raids but other reasons- pugs can raid, and WoW is catering to soft cores more and more. If your server sucks, can't do decent pug raids, and you don't have time to organize them, I can understand it.
But in all honesty, most of your non-raiding activities are with you guildies. I have good friends in other guilds, but when I want to do something, I ask in Mumble and gchat first since it's a larger pool of players. If I want to organize something, that's where I start.
A good guild IS NOT a raid group. Those come and go. I don't join them since they simply don't have a lot of stability most of the time (and I'd know- I keep tabs so I can point others to them!). I look for guilds that offer more. Something other than loot. If your server doesn't offer something like this, and you can't/won't transfer off, I understand gquitting. But, for example, if you joined a good RP PvP guild that raids a bit, and you want hardcore raiding and still get some RP in, good luck to you.
Gendou Oct 24th 2011 8:39PM
If someone plays WOW primarily to raid, then staying in a guild that does not share their priorities is foolish.
Sometimes RP, PVP, Dungeons, Socializing or other non-raiding activities are simply not enough for people. If someone wants to raid and feels that their current guild isn't progressing in the direction they need, they should feel free to leave.
Den Oct 24th 2011 8:51PM
You're right Gendou, and that's fine for people who only care about progress/epics, but I've met far too many people who quit a guild for raiding and were just plain miserable after that. There's more involved in raiding than just how many bosses are downed or how quickly you can get geared. Don't just leave because you want to raid, leave because there's something bigger you're missing out on.
Noyou Oct 24th 2011 8:54PM
I can kind of relate to that. I had made a couple good friends to the point of even talking to them in real life. They both went on to raid, leaving my littler social guild behind. Neither of them really even play WoW now. When Cata brought out the looking for guild feature, I made sure to correctly label and advertise my guild as a social guild, looking for fun and social people. I am totally at peace where the way my guild is and happy with the core of my guild members. If any of them want to leave, the door is open to return. However if they just /gquit one day and don't have the decency to talk to me about it then they might not be so well received. Some people aren't good with saying farewell and that is unfortunate.
I have to say I totally disagree with "be discreet about it." I am not saying you need to make a big announcement about it. If you were a vocal/participating member of a social/leveling guild, people are going to ask questions. That's not really fair to the officers or the GM in my opinion. You should treat people and friends like people and friends, not like people who occupy space or are blips on a screen.
Noyou Oct 24th 2011 9:12PM
I agree, most people I know who leave a guild to raid are very disillusioned about the whole thing. The #1 factor usually comes to to loots. They usually move on from guild to guild for a while or end up quitting.
Spellotape Oct 24th 2011 10:17PM
A lot of people who really want to raid and know what it all entails prioritise this more than spending time with the people they're leaving who, whether fairly or not, they probably see as the reason they cannot raid. I would not suggest staying in a guild you might ultimately resent for not being able to deliver what you want to do in game.
If you want to raid and you can't find it in your guild, don't want to go through the nightmare of pugs, and want the communal sense of accomplishment you get when you kill stuff with people you kill stuff with regularly, then do leave to find a raiding guild that will meet your needs (and so some research before you do).
jlhealy Oct 24th 2011 11:33PM
Well this is kinda awkward, since Den is my GM. We are both in a social guild. Our guild's raiding started out as just being about doing an activity as a guild, with friends, and when that shifted to a more demanding, stressful and drama-filled progression focus, I left the raid group but remained in the guild. The fallout from that has me reading this article with sympathy, as raid-related things can color all the other reasons you might stay in the guild and can affect non-raid interactions in a negative way.
Guapa Oct 25th 2011 8:51AM
prior to Cataclysm I would have fully agreed to Den. I raided with an alliance that consisted of mainly two guilds but had members from many more. We had our own TS server, an exquisit forum, in-game chat channels and even a raid bank, basically we kept guild matters and raid matters strictly separate and everyone could play in the guild they liked most (some players even moved from one of your guilds to another without causing any drama).
With the advent of Cataclysm, guild levels and achievements however this is not an option anymore, you'll want all regular raiders to be in the same guild.
So as much as I like the new guild options, I miss the times when you had the option to choose your raid and your guild independently from each other.
Brett Porter Oct 25th 2011 12:36PM
I think the problem is, at least what I'm seeing here, is that the guild that you have and you're used to is mainly a social guild, with raiding as a side activity, or something extra. That's all fine when someone wants to be in the guild but not in the raid group. My old main is in such a guild, but not in the raid group anymore (due to stress from blood tanking wearing me out).
However, there are guilds out there that are specifically for raiding. My new main joined a sister guild for the sole purpose of raiding. If, all of a sudden, they decided to now be an RP and PvP guild, but I still wanted to raid, I would be screwed.
I don't want to RP and I don't want to PvP. If I wanted to continue raiding, I would need to either find a small group of similar minded folks in the same guild, or find some other way to raid. Usually that entails leaving for a raiding-specific guild. Saying that you shouldn't find a guild just for raiding because that's not the player you are is just like saying, well you shouldn't find a guild just to be social with others. You shouldn't tell others to have fun, that's no fun at all.
Just my two cents.
Bellajtok Oct 24th 2011 8:36PM
Know why you're leaving that guild! Former guildies and future guilds will ask you why you left, and you should have that answer ready. Also, you'll feel better about leaving if you can remind yourself why you left.
Krsnik Oct 24th 2011 8:55PM
Ok, here's a question. Let's say you join a guild on the basis that they will be raiding weekend nights which works perfectly with your schedule. You're doing fine downing content for weeks when suddenly, the GM (who never joined a single run) changes the raid schedule on you without notice or asking you for your opinion. Now, you are stuck without a raid group on a server that doesn't offer a lot of weekend pugging. Would you stick it out due to no real alternatives in raiding or do you leave anyways and just hope for the best? This is my current dilemma and a transfer might sound easy but I do have close friends on this server so I'm not sure if I'm ready for that yet.
Lou Gagliardi Oct 24th 2011 9:08PM
Are you raiding with your friends? Or is it a random guild?
If it's your friends, I'd say talk to them and talk to the GM about this. Try to find a solution.
If it's a random guild, then find a new server and guild to raid with, then make an alt on that server (With your friends I mean) to play with them when your not raiding.
I hope that helps somehow. That's the best advice I'd give.
Blessed be.
Noyou Oct 25th 2011 12:12AM
First of all, that is a shitty thing for a GM to do. If someone sets up a raid night in my guild, it's their baby- from looting to when they want to raid. If I set one up, it's on me. I would never mess with anyone's flow. Here is what I would do:
1. Talk to your friends and see what the deal is.
2. Talk to the other raiders and see what works for them- leave personal opinions aside and only mention that the schedule you were doing works best.
3. If it is ok, and people want to, make your own raid for the night you were raiding previously. If anyone has a problem with that, then that is your answer.
4. See if anyone wants to raid your current content on the night you want to. Check out forums or roll and alt and look for guilds recruiting for the times you want.
5. If none of these solutions fix the problem, you may want to find another server. I would diligently look into it before paying the money- unless you don't mind shelling out the cash to server hop.