Drama Mamas: A guide to when and how to leave your guild
The most popular question we get goes something like this: "X is happening in my guild, but I really like the rest of my guildmates. Should I leave?" We've covered this many times throughout the history of this column, but things changed quite a bit once Guild Rewards were introduced in Cataclysm. Also, we're now going through one of those pre-patch/expansion slumps (though the excitement from BlizzCon may rejuvenate interest for a bit).
So this week is an update of our guild leaving advice -- both when to leave and how.
Should you stay or should you go now?
When you are trying to make it work with your guild, there are a few things you must remember:
- This is your leisure time. If your stress-relieving activity is doing the opposite, you need to make a change.
- You can't change other people.
- You are the only person you can control.
- You want to raid and have time to do it, but your current guild doesn't raid.
- You want to raid but there is no room in your guild's raid for you and there isn't a second string for you to participate in.
- Your guild wants to become a raid guild when it used to be casual and you aren't ready to raid.
- The guild leader is horrible. It doesn't matter how great your perks and rep are. Escape!
- If your significant other has been hotchatting with a guildie, it's time for you both to leave -- if you want to salvage your relationship.
- Your raid leader is horrible and verbally abusive.
- You are not having fun.
- You severely dislike or disapprove of another player who is supported by the guild.
- You have a disruptive player in the guild and the GM won't do anything about it.
- The culture of your guild changes and you don't like it.
- You have a personality conflict with a fellow guildie who is never going to quit or be kicked out of the guild.
- Your GM makes a decision that offends the majority of the guild.
- You are hoping to be invited back and you are ashamed or embarrassed.
- You have a fight with your friend who is also a guildie and want to quit in a huff.
- You issue an ultimatum and have to quit because your guild calls your bluff. (Just don't use ultimatums to get your way.)
The right way to leave a guild
So you've decided to leave your guild (regardless of the validity of your reason). Here's how to do it in a drama-free fashion -- which I have only slightly changed from our previous column about leaving guilds.
- Don't fuel the rumor mill. There's no breaking the news gently here, and there's no talking it over to get a feel for things if you're still merely considering a move. Do not open the "I've been thinking ..." door. You'll open up a rat's nest of gossip, political maneuvering and guilt-inducing begging you to stay. This is your decision; make it on your own, and go public only when you're ready to make it happen.
- Use official channels. Once you've decided a move is the right thing to do, go straight to your GM (guild master or guild leader) or a guild officer.
- Be brief but honest. Example: "I've decided to move to another guild, where I'll be playing with a good friend. I've really enjoyed my time here and appreciate all the help and guidance you've given me along the way. Thanks for having me!"
- If hard feelings erupt, don't burn bridges. "I have such limited time to play that I think I'd be a better fit with a guild on a more active raiding schedule" is better than "You lied to me about wanting to raid, your members suck Cracked Eggs and I can't wait to be outta here."
- Fall back on a letter. If you're simply too uncomfortable to speak with your GM or an officer in person, send an in-game note or private message on the guild forums.
- Be discreet. Timing your /gquit for a time of day when fewer members will be online to take notice helps minimize awkwardness.
- No matter what, make contact somewhere. If none of the leadership is online and you need to /gquit right then and there in order to start activities with your new guild, make your brief but honest statement (see above) in guildchat, and follow up with a note (in game or on your guild forums) to the GM.
- If you are an officer in your current guild This makes leaving a bit tougher, because you theoretically have some say in the direction and guidance of your guild. The solution is simple, however. Along with Lisa's suggestions, make sure you have someone to recommend as a replacement. In fact, it is almost always a good idea, in work or in play, to groom a replacement so that you can be promoted or move on when the opportunity arises.
- If you are the guild leader Do not transfer leadership to your alt or to anyone else who is not active in your old guild. Your old guild needs a resident leader to thrive. Pick an active and capable successor, transfer leadership and move on with your fun.
- If you are in a leveling guild The guild that never quite makes it to being an endgame guild is is a story that is so common, it is more of the rule than the exception. Every day in trade chat and newbie zones, you hear guilds recruiting with almost the same sales pitch: "[Insert Guildname Here] looking for all levels. We are a helpful, level X guild. We will raid once we get enough people to max level. PST!" And every day, people level up, get some 5-mans in and move on to an endgame guild. These friendly leveling guilds rarely get enough people together who want to raid in the time frame they originally hoped for. Leave an alt or two in this guild and help them out when you have time, but don't give up raiding for them.
- If you are leaving behind good friends You aren't leaving anyone, actually. If you know them in the physical world or otherwise trust them with your most personal of information, you can keep in touch via Real ID. If you remain on the same server, you can keep them on your friends list. And, of course, there's always email, messaging and social networks. Just make sure to privately explain to them your reasons before you leave. If they don't understand, then they aren't really your good friends anyway.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 3)
Lou Gagliardi Oct 24th 2011 9:05PM
I needed this guide.
Right now, I'm in a guild that I feel like an outcast in. I feel like I'm being pushed/suggested to play something I don't want to play for the sake of raiding. I'm too 'casual' for raiding and want to roleplay and socially interact. I just don't know what to do. Part of me says 'leave' but then I feel like I'm just a quitter even after discussing this stuff with the person that brought me into the guild.
So thank you, Robin and Lisa for this wonderful guide!
wow Oct 25th 2011 10:25AM
I was in a couple guilds like that, on two different servers. They eventually broke up and I decided to create my own Guild: Shinanji. We are a small guild stuck on L.2. hehe. But, we are a very social/RP guild that doesn't raid as a guild.
I do have a couple of RL friends who left my guild to join a raiding guild and they have invited anyone from my guild that wants to raid, raid slots. I have run a few raids with this group and I have to say, it was fun and engaging. There is no drama, so far, and I don't feel like I am putting someone in their guild out just to raid. We usually fill in if someone, for whatever reason, can't make it that night or they are short raiders.
Before this, I used to PuG and hated every minute of it, coz most people I ran across were either elitist jerks who'd /vote kick coz my gear wasn't up to snuff. Or I was immediately kicked just because my raiding toon is a BM Hunter.
Even though we are a social guild, up until recently, due to burn out or RL got in the way, only a couple people even online anymore. Even my online time is diminished since I just recently married and have a baby on the way. :)
Sorry for the long post.
Shinanji
Jyotai Oct 25th 2011 4:02PM
@wow:
On raiding as a BM Hunter: Some 'good news' from the devs, of a twisted sort.
At Blizzcon they were asked when BM Hunters would get a boost to make them comparable in raid DPS to other specs. They looked right at the questioner and said 'We feel BM hunters already match the other specs in DPS from a game POV, the problem is not the spec, but that the poorer-skilled players tend to favor it.'
- So... if you get booted for -being- BM, the people kicking you are wrong. But if you get booted because in BM you do less DPS, then they're right to boot you. :)
The twisted good news: if you are good, BM Hunting is just as valid a choice as any other Hunter spec - even for topping DPS meters.
shomechely Oct 25th 2011 5:58PM
This is not a job. It's not the military. You did not sign on for a three years stint serving waffles to the Bunga Bunga tribe deep in the wilds of S. America (or some other jungly place). WoW is a game and there is always another raider willing to play the role you don't want. If you are pushed into a raiding role you don't like and aren't comfortable with you won't enjoy it and neither will anyone else.
Lou Gagliardi Oct 25th 2011 6:53PM
@shomechely I think the problem I have is...'where do I go?'
http://unknownventures.wordpress.com/2011/10/25/what-do-i-do-aka-lookingforguild-worldofwarcraftroleplay/
I actually wrote a blog entry on it.
Krsnik Oct 24th 2011 9:20PM
@Lou Gagliardi
Friends I play with outside of raids are outside the guild. I might take your 2nd suggestion to heart. Thank you.
Lou Gagliardi Oct 24th 2011 9:29PM
Always happy to help! I think that may be your best bet. That way you can find raiding but still have time with your friends.
Or another suggestion I'd make? Make your own guild, ask your friends to join and make your own raid guild/team.
viciouspen Oct 24th 2011 9:39PM
and still nothing on wowinsider about the corpsegrinde incident.
Guess that's not surprising with the rampant horde favoritism going on.
Journalism, not so much....
Robin Torres Oct 24th 2011 9:58PM
Did the guy from Corpsegrinder have some guild leaving drama? If not, then of course you are going to find no mention of it in this post.
Luke Oct 24th 2011 10:22PM
Vicious don't be rude...
I am insanely curious what you're talking about though.
Saeadame Oct 24th 2011 11:27PM
@Luke - he's talking about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2yvZM1wn04
Caylynn Oct 24th 2011 11:41PM
Robin, I think the point he was trying to raise (badly) is that there is considerable drama over the Blizzcon closing ceremonies with the offensive death metal guy. And since this is the DramaMamma's column, well, maybe he expected some coverage of that drama.
Dan Oct 25th 2011 8:17AM
Are you really nerd raging over a concert?
Seriously, how is that an incident? Horde and Alliance players talk trash all the time. I'm alliance and I enjoyed it.
Guapa Oct 25th 2011 9:36AM
So... a death metal dude talked trash and hurt someone's feelings?
If that's true, you should join the Pope in protest!
Jyotai Oct 25th 2011 3:57PM
I think he's drama because he didn't just trash talk faction wise; which everyone in WoW does as a -part- of the game.
But am told he launched into a real-world gay-bashing attack as a part of it.
- this part I don't know, needs to be confirmed or denied still. If its confirmed, the guy needs to be fired from Blizzard, no matter who he is. It can open them up to lawsuits from other employees, the costs of which could set back a lot of projects... so even the many anti-gay folks in the WoW community ought to desire this guy to be let go before it spirals.
But again, I need to watch the uncensored video from home before I commit to that stance.
Robin Torres Oct 25th 2011 4:00PM
The guy from Corpsegrinder does not work for Blizzard, did no gay bashing at the concert, and is not involved in any guild drama that I know of. Sure he seems to cause a bit of drama, but none that pertains to this week's topic nor to any foreseeable topic we may cover. We talk about avoiding drama. We don't report on all WoW drama that exists.
Jyotai Oct 25th 2011 4:21PM
Actually just listened to the uncensored version.
THE ENTIRE THING IS GAY BASHING.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eg3N3TayP8&feature=related
He may not be a Blizzard employee, but they'd better be careful about letting him have the mic ever again, as a California company. That guy's mouth is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Robin Torres Oct 25th 2011 4:29PM
Okay, so he's a foulmouthed homophobe. Still doesn't belong in this column.
broadwaybobby831 Oct 24th 2011 10:43PM
I am in a situation currently where i was recruited to a "good raiding guild" and I'm the raid leader but get talked over, yelled over. And have really no say in anything, i havent been happy in a raid for weeks and we continued to carry people despite my and other peoples disapproval. just looking at 4.3, Pandaria, and the future i want to feel like i can at least experience real progression. like at least fighting hm deathwing. I feel like I've been playing for 5 years its time for me to move on...
But, They all like me so much.. And i would hate to ruin the guild or make enemies with people on my server :'( I'm so conflicted..
all in all i am not happy but still... idk
Lipstick Oct 25th 2011 6:54AM
People who talk over you, and yell over you, do not like you, or respect you. Period.
At the very least there is a serious lack of respect going on, and it's unfair of you to be put in a position to continue to try to lead a raid/guild/group when you have no authority. Chances are, you are a nice, and agreeable person whom didn't establish boundaries early on when you began leading and now the masses run roughshod over you. If you feel this group is worth salvaging, there are ways to turn this around, but you will have to be honest, blunt, and explain where you stand, and that things are going to change going forward. If things aren't able to change/don't change, then you can walk away knowing you tried everything you could before moving forward.
If you feel burnt out enough by your current situation to not enjoy raiding any more and you want to experience further progression but feel this is impossible in your current situation, than it's time to get out of dodge. So long as you handle things as appropriately, and maturely as you can there is little that they can do to stop you. Most serious, hardmode raiding guilds will not "black ball" qualified applicants, because the guild they use to be a part of is upset they've lost that player.
Most hardmode raiding guilds who care about progression care about the skill level of their players and having the right tools for the job. If you fulfill that then do what you can to extricate yourself from the situation.