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11-06-2011 @ 12:13AM
"All I see with the current system Blizzard has in place is that people will try it out for the first month, get sorely frustrated between not getting what they want due to the lockout mechanics and getting trolled or carrying people who have no right to be in a raid, or grouping with other people."I don't think you're wrong, I DO think that Blizz knows this, and, much like the LFD, will accept this, as their ass is covered on the "automated access mode" front.LFR is the ultimate disclaimer in "you *could* see it this way... or you can be sociable and make friends", and I believe the latter is always intended to be the intended iteration of raid content. It's a bandaid to hold off until MoP brings in all the "you don't have to raid to get VP capped" options, and then the only people raiding at all will be the people that want to... and everyone wins.
11-06-2011 @ 12:18AM
In short, the LFR experience, like LFD, is "allowed to suck"... as a way to herd people into their own groups... but only until quest VP, and scenarios give the "raiding because they feel they have to, not because they want to" crowd an offramp from raiding.
11-06-2011 @ 1:45AM
"LFR is the ultimate disclaimer in "you *could* see it this way... or you can be sociable and make friends"I have to strongly disagree with this. Sociability and raiding are two entirely different fishfood. Most people aren't restrained from raiding because they are antisocial. Actually, I don't think being antisocial has ever stopped anyone with loads of free time from raiding. The problem most people face is the lack of time, it's the lack of ability to schedule half the week's evenings to raiding. Some of our professional and social lives simply don't allow it.It's more like "If you cannot dedicate the amount of time demanded in order to experience the raid content, then you can go with that...".It would be fantastic if being sociable were all that's required to raid, but it isn't.
11-06-2011 @ 1:54AM
Miz (AWESOME name by the way ;) ) I agree that sociability isn't the only barrier to raiding, I meant it more in a general "making yourself available" (which, yes, many of us, myself included, have grown out of, with the requirements of adult life) sense. You have to admit, though, in the current incarnation of WoW, there are so many tools at the "really really want to raid" player's disposal to enable it: automated guild recruitment, server transfers, faction transfers. If someone only hae three hours a week, they could, with a little homework, line those three hours up with 24 other people. In light of this, the raid finder is "allowed to suck", since the alternative has "been made so available".Should players have to jump through all those hoops to stop relying on LFR? I don't think so, (I am captain "kill co-dependency" here) but until MoP hits,raiding is the singular PvE endgame road, and once the 4.3 era has passed, the raid finder will have largely played its part, IMO. In this context, the decay of LFR is allowed to sink into planned obsolesence.Just my two cents.PS: Deathwing is, indeed, gon' get got!
11-06-2011 @ 3:06AM
"It's a bandaid to hold off until MoP brings in all the "you don't have to raid to get VP capped" options, and then the only people raiding at all will be the people that want to"I really don't agree with this idea. I mean, we ALREADY have non-raiding ways to completely VP cap. And also, if you're not interested in raiding, why care about VP? Gear that looks shiney? They've got that covered with Transmog... The only argument is that people want better gear. Okay... but the better gear comes from actually raiding. So there's always that trade off that'll come and ultimately, if all anyone is interested is getting that better or best gear regardless of how much crap they have to wade through, they're gonna keep trying. It's a priority thing and there's no way to force someone to change their own priorities. You can't even compare the gear from LFR to that from actual raiding because players will ALWAYS haze you for it. So that problem's not fixed either. Also, that community driven peer-pressure that if "you're not actually raiding; you're still inferior" still stands in this system as well.So no, I don't believe that providing all these new ways to cap VP will change the way the LFR all too much. What WILL change it is when people try it for a month, get sick of the condensed idiocy and give it up forever (a group in which I will probably end up =p).
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