Class Balance Q&A: Mage

Kurojushi asked:
Is the Frost Mage ever going to be competitive in PVE? (I know it is within about 10% but it's still the lowest DPS spec in the game at the moment)
Ghostcrawler answered:
Part of why we are changing talents in 5.0 is to let every spec have a shot at getting good utility. This means we can abandon the current (and tired) model where some specs (Frost, Subtlety especially) have to trade off dps because they have good control / survivability / escape. The biggest difference between Frost, Fire and Arcane in 5.0 will be which spells (including procs and other mechanics) you use to do damage.
Lylandra asked:
Hey there, since the arcane mage playstyle is a bit simplicistic nowadays (one button spam in burn phase and two button use in conserve phae) can we hope to see other, more engaging ways of spell interaction? Would it, for example, be possible to get a resource system out of arcane blast stacks or can we get more spells into our rotation?
Celestalon answered:
Arcane Mages' rotation (or lack-there-of, depending upon your point of view) is something we have plans for in 5.0. We still want mana management to be a major part of their gameplay, but we want to mix up their rotation a bit beyond that. Additionally, their rotation being entirely immobile is debilitating for them at times. We're currently planning to include Arcane Barrage in their PvE rotation, so that they at least have an instant GCD that allows them to move small distances without losing DPS. Arcane Missiles while moving is something that we've considered several times, but currently aren't planning to use (that may change though).
Avantha asked:
You mentioned at Blizzcon that all mages will be getting Living Bomb. How will this along with talented Scorch be balanced so that it is not too powerful for fire and too underpowered for other specs? Because certain spells like Arcane Blast and Frostbolt will be only available to their respective spec, does this mean the specialization bonuses such as your fire spells do X% increased damage are being removed and the extra damage worked into the spell itself, so that cross spec spells such as Living Bomb do the same amount of damage no matter which spec you are in?
Ghostcrawler answered:
Mages don't really need their +fire, +frost or +arcane specializations in 5.0 because only Fire mages will have Fireball. So Fire mages won't do more damage with LB or Scorch. They will still feel like Fire mages though because of Fireball, Ignite, Combustion and Hot Streak.
Guest asked:
Why did you pick Blast Wave, Dragon's Breath, and Slow as the level 90 mage talents? Most every other class has gotten new skills at 90. Why put spells we mages get a lower levels at 90?
Xelnath answered:
You know, that's an excellent point - we've heard from several people that Mages could use a few more new talents. We'll take a look.
Hoffs asked:
I love ring of frost AND Cone of Cold, why will i have to choose ?
Ghostcrawler answered:
We think choosing between two powerful things is a lot more fun and interesting than choosing between a no-brainer and pile of poo. In this case specifically, we thought that mages and Frost in general have too many CC abilities and we didn't want to keep adding more and more with every expansion. But if you have to choose which CC you want, then it gives us the design space to keep adding potentially interesting alternatives.
Is the Frost Mage ever going to be competitive in PVE? (I know it is within about 10% but it's still the lowest DPS spec in the game at the moment)
Ghostcrawler answered:
Part of why we are changing talents in 5.0 is to let every spec have a shot at getting good utility. This means we can abandon the current (and tired) model where some specs (Frost, Subtlety especially) have to trade off dps because they have good control / survivability / escape. The biggest difference between Frost, Fire and Arcane in 5.0 will be which spells (including procs and other mechanics) you use to do damage.
Lylandra asked:
Hey there, since the arcane mage playstyle is a bit simplicistic nowadays (one button spam in burn phase and two button use in conserve phae) can we hope to see other, more engaging ways of spell interaction? Would it, for example, be possible to get a resource system out of arcane blast stacks or can we get more spells into our rotation?
Celestalon answered:
Arcane Mages' rotation (or lack-there-of, depending upon your point of view) is something we have plans for in 5.0. We still want mana management to be a major part of their gameplay, but we want to mix up their rotation a bit beyond that. Additionally, their rotation being entirely immobile is debilitating for them at times. We're currently planning to include Arcane Barrage in their PvE rotation, so that they at least have an instant GCD that allows them to move small distances without losing DPS. Arcane Missiles while moving is something that we've considered several times, but currently aren't planning to use (that may change though).
Avantha asked:
You mentioned at Blizzcon that all mages will be getting Living Bomb. How will this along with talented Scorch be balanced so that it is not too powerful for fire and too underpowered for other specs? Because certain spells like Arcane Blast and Frostbolt will be only available to their respective spec, does this mean the specialization bonuses such as your fire spells do X% increased damage are being removed and the extra damage worked into the spell itself, so that cross spec spells such as Living Bomb do the same amount of damage no matter which spec you are in?
Ghostcrawler answered:
Mages don't really need their +fire, +frost or +arcane specializations in 5.0 because only Fire mages will have Fireball. So Fire mages won't do more damage with LB or Scorch. They will still feel like Fire mages though because of Fireball, Ignite, Combustion and Hot Streak.
Guest asked:
Why did you pick Blast Wave, Dragon's Breath, and Slow as the level 90 mage talents? Most every other class has gotten new skills at 90. Why put spells we mages get a lower levels at 90?
Xelnath answered:
You know, that's an excellent point - we've heard from several people that Mages could use a few more new talents. We'll take a look.
Hoffs asked:
I love ring of frost AND Cone of Cold, why will i have to choose ?
Ghostcrawler answered:
We think choosing between two powerful things is a lot more fun and interesting than choosing between a no-brainer and pile of poo. In this case specifically, we thought that mages and Frost in general have too many CC abilities and we didn't want to keep adding more and more with every expansion. But if you have to choose which CC you want, then it gives us the design space to keep adding potentially interesting alternatives.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
lostsyn Nov 9th 2011 7:48PM
is it just me or does anyone else feel like they stripped the fire mages when they took de facto fire spells and added them to the new talent system?
Awesome Nov 9th 2011 8:24PM
Yeah, I kind of liked having Dragon's Breath, Living Bomb, and Blast Wave all to Fire Mages. They made me feel special as a firemage.
The way things are going now all we'll have to ourselves is Pyroblast and.... ???
Prelimar Nov 10th 2011 1:21AM
^^ i second what Awesome said. those are the spells that MADE we fire mages... fire mages!
Andrew Nov 9th 2011 9:23PM
O.O Yay, they heard the mass QQ that arose from our poor, huddled masses! Huzzah for (possibly) revamped talents!
Moonfaxx Nov 10th 2011 1:10AM
"Is the Frost Mage ever going to be competitive in PVE? (I know it is within about 10% but it's still the lowest DPS spec in the game at the moment)"
Not sure what planet THAT guy is living on. Frost is one of the best DPS spec in the game right now. It's fire that sucks. *eagerly sees 4.3 on the horizon*
Xanthum Nov 10th 2011 3:34AM
In my mind, its not so much that fire spec will not feel like fire, but the other specs will feel like a frost/fire or arcane/fire hybrid. Fire will become the spec without the funky extra spells.
Even if they cosmetically make living bomb look frosty or arcaney then it will help the specs feel more special.
Failing that, give living bomb an effect based on spec. Living bomb for fire is the same as it is now, for frost it can do a Frost Nova at the end and for arcane, an arcane blast. The damage would be similar enough to not be an issue, except maybe the frost version, but you have a cc element instead.
As a final resort, why not make this a talent point choice? (Glad to see they are taking a second look, it did seem we got the sticky end of the stick on this one.)
highfive Nov 10th 2011 10:49AM
If your playing an arcane mage and only using 2 buttons then your playing it wrong.that's not blizzards fault its yours.
Matthew Nov 13th 2011 5:40PM
"We think choosing between two powerful things is a lot more fun and interesting than choosing between a no-brainer and pile of poo."
Lol. Truly.
kenneth1971 Nov 29th 2011 1:55AM
Ive bin playing arcane amge now for over a year and i have or i think i have mastered the arcane rotation when in pve and im haveing loads of fun.The rotation is more than just 2 key bashing its all about timeing the next spell u hit to get the best performance out of your arcane mage rotation.If and when you do master the arcane rotation you can be sure
that survival is greater than most mages.Frost mages are i think over powerd now especialy
in pvp (battlegrounds).Like i said in the beginning ive not done much pvp but i have noticed
alot of changes in pvp and want to be able to play pvp along side pve and do well in boath.
o well enough of me going on comments plz on what do you think of the mage and there diffrent abillites . i love and adore playing the mage class :-). I have a arcane mage and its awsome ..........................