Let's not start another tired old conflict between 10 and 25 man groups. The logistical reasons for Raid Finder to use a 25-man group are cut and dry - in the long run, it will fill more groups than a 10 because fewer tanks and healers will need to be found.

by that measure, 25 man raiding is the peewee raiding compared to the 40-man raids of vanilla.


and the 40-man raids of vanilla are kid's stuff compared to some of the BIG stuff in EQ.


i'm looking at you, sleeper.

i think the first attempt at a kill took something like 100 players.

Can I upvote the first part of the post but downvote that last paragraph? That would be handy.

As I was reading your comment, I couldn't understand why it was downrated - until I got to the end. As a non-raiding tank, I am looking forward to LFR and thinking - oh god, I get SOOOOOOO many idiots already and I only run heroics with AT LEAST one other guildie. We've had people who are the fifth (4 guildies) pull (I'm the tank) and then say "your guild is fail" as they leave group (and we wipe). The good thing is we usually get someone we can finish with. Occasionally we get a real elitist jerk raider - who's pulling way more DPS than us who does the same stunt, but usually it was someone trying to scam a free ride. LFR is going to be interesting, unless it's relatively easy there will be a lot of people trying to scam that "free ride", which will make it fail.
But the comment on 10-man versus 25-man? I hope I don't get YOU in LFR.

Unfortunately, that's one of the biggest problems with large random groups in WoW.
You get people like jfofla in your groups.

How many times has it happened in a BG or RDF group where people seem to know what they're doing, everything's going great, and then out of the blue and for no apparent reason at all suddenly one guy says something in chat that is so incredibly stupid and offensive that it stops everything cold and no one wants to even try anymore?

I think you're underestimating the desire of many folks to get the phat lewtz. They'll put up with a lot of verbal garbage if they're close to victory.

Maybe. But will they be having fun?