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11-12-2011 @ 8:19PM
I wouldn't count the Alliance as the 'good' guys.
11-12-2011 @ 8:39PM
Compared to the Horde, they are. They're not the ones actively wiping out innocents and conquering territories left and right.
11-12-2011 @ 8:42PM
Um....what about in the Southern Barrens? They are the other half of the war. I don't count either faction good or evil, since war is hell and all.
11-12-2011 @ 9:29PM
The Alliance get to attack one small Horde camp. That's it. Not that the players have anything to do with it, we just deal with the aftermath and kill Alliance looters. And the guy in charge tries to minimise casualties, but the gap in the lines leads the survivors to run smack into quillboars. Then he gets killed in revenge by the Horde. AND THE HORDE fans NEVER SHUT UP ABOUT IT. Where are the reprisals for Ashenvale, Stonetalon, Southshore ? Hell the most important thing the Alliance does in Cata is organise a wedding.
11-12-2011 @ 9:31PM
As I said, I don't count either faction as good or evil: it's a war in Cata, and has been a war among them for years. This isn't new. But having a role play article say that the Alliance are the good guys is a bit much; as that really shouldn't be a driving force for a character.
11-12-2011 @ 9:36PM
Most of the deaths at Camp Turajo were the Horde's own fault. The Alliance had left a huge hole in the lines to allow the civillians to flee unharmed while the camp itself was destroyed and demilitarized. Those civillians were killed or captured when an ethnic minority that the taurens and orcs had siezed land from and oppressed for years saw a moment of weakness, and took advantage of it.The Horde in that zone, on the other hand, skin members of the Alliance and wear their heads as hats.
11-12-2011 @ 9:46PM
LMAO, what about the Southern Barrens? Have you actually done it Alliance side? They made sure not to kill any civilians.The Alliance does ONE, ONE aggressive action to counteract YEARS and YEARS of Horde aggression in various Alliance territory and all of a sudden they're not the good guys?They attacked the Southern Barrens to cut off the Tauren from the Orcs since the Taurens keep helping the Orcs with their Ashenvale offensive.So, the Alliance attacking the Southern Barrens means they're not good? Gurl please.
11-12-2011 @ 9:55PM
So people are not reading the rest of my comments then? Alright, whatever:One last time: I don't see either faction as evil or good, as they are in the middle of a war that has existed for the last 7 years or so since WoW started. What I took offense with here is that the article does a section about the Alliance and starts it off with 'The Alliance are the Good Guys' when it's a gray morality game. Both groups are fighting a War, and both groups have been taking hits.Ashenvale is a war zone and has been one since the start of Vanilla; the Horde took areas of the land from the Night Elves for supplies(which they've been doing for years). Stonetalon was the result of an over zealous commander who dies at the hands of the Warchief. The only areas of evil would be the Forsaken; as they are the ones willing to use whatever they can to win. But, one group does not make an entire faction evil.
11-12-2011 @ 10:01PM
You don't get it meatlyadams, but it's OK, I was like you once, a Horde apologist.Here is why the Horde are the bad guys. They had a truce at the end of Warcraft III, a truce violated by the Orcs by taking lumber (btw, it wasn't all for supplies, a lot of the lumber ended up going rotten for lack of use) when they could do a trade with the Night Elves.But no, they'd rather take it, disrespect the Night Elf customs, violate the truce that was put in place after the battle on Mt. Hyjal, and not to mention they were letting their Forsaken allies experiment on the sleeping Druids.
11-12-2011 @ 10:02PM
Play both sides to 85 and read the quests. The Alliance are definitely the better guys. Camp T. doesn't compare to all the crap the Horde pulled in Northrend, in Hillbrad Foothills and elsewhere.Heck, just play through Azshara. Even NPC members of the Horde are uncomfortable about how the Horde runs things nowadays. Between Garrosh and Sylvanas, the Horde is racing down a very dark road. (And it's not like Thrall is much better: Look who he put in charge of the goblins before skipping town.)One village and the fact that the human king says hurtful things (while still using his Orcish nickname) doesn't make the two sides comparable.
11-12-2011 @ 10:06PM
/sigh No, the truce was between Theramore and Durotar; it wasn't among the entire Alliance as that would have involved Prince Anduin and King Magni traveling there to sign it. And considering we find out that all of the plague research was a surprise well....And seeing as the Night Elves were still the stick in the mud heads up their own arse pure xenophobes who attacked first, asked questions later even at the start of WoW, can't see them making a trade agreement either.
So you wouldn't count the mutilation of enemy dead and conversion of said corpses into headgear evil? That's Steve Buschemi in Con Air evil. That's the kind of evil that makes Hannibal Lecter go: "That's a bit much..."
11-12-2011 @ 10:19PM
Oh and speaking of the Truce: Technically the Alliance broke that pact first when Daelin Proudmoore and his Kul Tiras forces showed up and attacked Durotar, as well as conscripting Theramore armed forces into his assault group.
11-12-2011 @ 10:26PM
Oh, you're trying to find any excuse to make the Horde not the bad guys, huh? I was like that too.Are you really using what happened BEFORE the Mt. Hyjal battle as a reason why the Orcs should keep invading Night Elf lands? It was a misunderstanding that was resolved by the end of the battle against Archimonde.The Night Elves, the Alliance, and the Horde all joined forces at the end of Mt. Hyjal battle. There was a truce. The Night Elves joined the Alliance, the truce would have extended to the Night Elves, but the Horde doesn't care about that.
11-12-2011 @ 10:30PM
Hey, you mentioned the truce, which was broken 6 months later by Daelin's invasion. And once more, the truce was between the Orcs and Theramore, not all of the Alliance forces.All I've been saying is that acting like one faction is good and one is evil is the wrong way to go about a role play unless the character in question is a pious type. If you want to play on the faction pride that's fine, but you can't just white wash one group with the evil stick and the other with the good; as both factions have extremists in their midst.
11-12-2011 @ 10:38PM
From my perspective, the Alliance are the bad guys, mostly because they're losing.I find it odd however that a well organized, united, and technologically superior force should have such a hard time defeating a rag tag band of in-fighting rapscallions. But then again it's hard to win a war when you're delivering baked goods and hugging.
11-13-2011 @ 2:04AM
Horde are clan based, alliance are politics based, one sees killing as glory the other sees it as necessary, (except forsaken they're bat-shit crazy) why are people arguing this? They are literally depicting two different eras, think of the horde as Vikings and the alliance as 18th century France.
11-13-2011 @ 6:32AM
The reason, I think, from what we see in game, that the Alliance "not the ones actively wiping out innocents and conquering territories left and right" is likely mainly because, well, they can't?To do that would mean they would have to successfully invade Horde territory. A bit hard to pull that one off, when the Horde is strong enough to steamroll over fortified Alliance positions, and the best Alliance fighters (the 7th legion) are massacred by a few Forsaken in Gilneas. Also, Alliance actually DID put a force together to attack Orgrimmar. That force was slaughtered outside the city by a small number of goblins.I think that it's less correct to say that "Alliance are the good guys" than "Alliance are the weak, insignificant and passive guys". Also, most of the toughest Alliance characters have deserted. Rhonin, Kahdgar, Malfurion, Tirion, Cenarius...
11-13-2011 @ 8:02AM
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