Drama Mamas: When "just friends" intrudes on love
The above song was played once an hour on MTV when it first came out. (In before the "when they were still playing music" comments.) Twenty-seven years later and I'm still sick of it. It is also from a movie about a love triangle -- I hear -- which makes it kind of pertinent to this week's letter.
My name is Robby and I've recently stumbled upon your "Drama Mamas" section on WoW Insider. I find that this column focuses on an often overlooked facet in dealing with MMORPGS, the human part. I've been an avid WoW player for about 2.5 years. I'm fortunate enough to have a wonderful girlfriend of 4 years that plays with the same enthusiasm that I do. We try and play together when we can but life is life and we are limited by school and work etc.
My current problem is that in our travels around Azeroth we have met many people, some are good and some are not so good. I try and keep my real life and my game life as separate things. I've made friends in game that I very rarely contact outside of game. Most people I meet on game are more like colleagues I work with. At work I talk and interact with them, we "do our job" and then I go home to real life and that's the end of it.
My girlfriend is a very different player. She has a friend she met through the game that she has talked to for over 2 years. They live about 12 hours away, is about 20 years older than her and he's a man. They talk daily via text messaging, they make frequent phone calls, and in game they are constantly in a group. I consider myself a very level headed person not prone to jealousy, but all I keep thinking off are "Dateline" episodes where internet predators end up killing people.
The situation came to a head when earlier this year he came down and visited (12 Hrs to visit) and recently he came down again. I've voiced my discomfort but I've yet to say "this wont happen again". Her parents are ok with the whole idea and she sees nothing at all wrong with it.
My question is am I wrong to feel this way? To my knowledge there has been no badness to come of this. They vow to stay friends even if there was no World of Warcraft. I don't like to think of issuing an ultimatum, but what more could I do?
Thank you for your time and keep up the great writing.
Without making any judgments at all about your girlfriend or her long-distance buddy, I can tell you that the feelings between a young woman and a man 20 years her senior are not typically as reciprocally platonic as they're usually painted to be. It's exciting to have the attentions of a younger woman, and it's flattering to have the attentions of an older man. What's more, it's easy enough in this situation to use the age difference and geographic separation as excuses to assure everyone -- including the parties themselves! -- that things are purely platonic. They manage to have their cake and eat it too.
Let's get this straight: I'm not one of those who believe that men and women absolutely cannot be strictly friends. What I am saying is that it's fairly likely that your girlfriend and her buddy are a lot more emotionally involved than they'd like to admit. Being friends with someone of the opposite sex doesn't make you immune to their attractions; if it's a mature platonic relationship, though, both parties will be explicitly aware of those feelings and handle them as a matter of course, keeping the boundaries firmly set.
Given the available opportunities for denial in this situation (age difference and geographic distance), it would not be surprising to discover your girlfriend is having romantic feelings for her friend that she is unwilling to admit even to herself. And given the way that time spent together, in-person visits and personal feelings are sliding all over the place, it doesn't look like friendly moderation is what's going on.
One problem I see, as a mama who's been around the sun a few more times than you and your girlfriend, is that most mature people my age have learned to tell when people are uncomfortable and putting on a good show. The fact that your girlfriend's friend doesn't seem to be sensing or heeding the chaos he causes during his visits (or during his conversations with your girlfriend -- because come on, we all know they're talking about this) throws up a red flag. What is blinding him to something a man of his age and experience should be able to perceive? What is stopping him from seeing that bringing this relationship out of the game space is creating turmoil for his younger friend? Hmm ...
But enough speculation. It's time to talk honestly with your girlfriend about how she would feel if you spent an equal amount of time with a female friend of your own. How much does this affect your feelings for your girlfriend? Is their relationship a deal-breaker for you? Let her know exactly where you stand. Maybe she'll finally get the hint that she's undermining your relationship, and you can work out something that you're both comfortable with. Or maybe she'll continue to claim she doesn't have any issues with opposite-gender friendships.
If the latter is the case, I might suggest that perhaps it's worth trying out a little female friendship of your own. Now, now -- I'm not talking about any petty revenge tactics. This is strictly on the up-and-up. Expand your own social horizons during all that time she's hobnobbing with her buddy. I'm not saying to go date girls, and I'm not saying to go seek out female friendships; I'm just saying you should go be social, and if girls are there, so be it. She might gain some perspective. You might gain a new friend or two. And with more equal social time and breathing room for everyone, you'll definitely both have a chance to make some new discoveries about where your relationship is headed.
Thanks for reading, Robby. Please write back and let us know how things work out!
There are a few things I would like to point out:
- Having no friends from work that you hang out with outside of work is a little odd. Work is a common ground which often forms friendships. The fact that you eschew any out-of-work contact makes you seem antisocial.
- You say that you have in-game friends that you "very rarely contact" outside of the game. So you do contact one or two via other means? Or has that been just to coordinate in-game activities?
- You say your girlfriend is a very different person, but in fact she seems to only have one friend that she contacts outside of WoW. Perhaps you also mean that she is more social in general?
Yes, I think it's very worrisome, and yes, I think you would be rather naive not to be suspicious. But I think you may be able to reduce the damage of Older Guy by engaging in more out-of-game social activities with your girlfriend. Perhaps you could allow yourself to make friends at work, hopefully with a couple so that you can all go out together. Or you might arrange more outings with current friends. Whether it's just the two of you or you're with a group, spending more time outside of WoW would be much better for your relationship.
Warning: Your girlfriend may at some point admit to having an online affair with Older Guy. I recommend you decide now whether that is a deal-breaker or not. If it is, it wouldn't hurt to form an exit strategy that is as drama-free as possible. I often find that if I have a way to escape from a bad situation, I am more relaxed about it -- even (particularly?) if I never have to use it.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 8)
Jon Nov 14th 2011 2:13PM
Phil Collins FTW.
hicks Nov 14th 2011 2:26PM
I actually watched that movie a few years ago on a lazy Sunday. It's really good!
Weird if you're from LA in that the opening scene takes place on the site of the new Getty Center, but a surprisingly solid movie.
roosterfish Nov 14th 2011 4:18PM
Heh, before I clicked on the video I thought it was going to be this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS7tFKNlyXc
(Bizarre Love Triangle by New Order)
Robin Torres Nov 14th 2011 7:08PM
Rooster, I SO should have chosen Bizarre Love Triangle. /sigh
MikeLive Nov 14th 2011 2:15PM
Yeah, hate to be brutal and stereotyping, but single men in (I assume) their 40's and 50's don't generally make friends unless there's some really unique mitigating circumstances. Perhaps a longtime partner recently left and he's literally making friends with whomever pays attention. Maybe he had a daughter about your girlfriend's age but died very young, so he feels paternal socializing with her, as if she was his daughter. Most likely, he's a (really patient) horndog taking advantage of a naïve young female.
Sleutel Nov 15th 2011 8:14PM
I'd say that "single men in their 40s and 50s" *in general* are a totally different group from "single men in their 40s and 50s" *who are socially active online*.
I'm a 28-year-old woman, and I have a number of online friends, male AND female, who are in their 40s and 50s--some married, some single. Many people play MMOs, post on forums, etc. as a way to meet new people and socialize; it's shouldn't be suprising that some (or even many) of those relationships will fall outside the age and gender boundaries that you'd typically expect had the people met in real life.
Irysh Nov 14th 2011 2:17PM
NO guy travels 12 hours to see "a friend."
Thallium Nov 14th 2011 2:33PM
NO guy blatantly stereotypes an entire gender...
I will concede it's unlikely, but it's no impossible. Broadly painting any group with a narrow set of possible actions and motivations will only limit thinking in the long run.
Also, did anyone else think it was weird when the Letter Writing more or less insulted Drama Mama's for ignoring the human part of the game when as far as I can tell the entire column is dedicated to said human part?
laudickj Nov 14th 2011 2:39PM
I was thinking the exact same thing.
I'm a guy, I've been through college, I have plenty of guy friends and girl friends and I have yet to find a guy that is friends with a girl and their friendship is completely platonic. I have even been in that situation myself and while I always respected the girl's choices, if the opportunity would have come up for me to be with her, I would have.
I would take Robin's advice and I would have a talk with her. If she truly cares for you she will see how much that "friendship" is affecting your relationship. However, stay away from ultimatums and don't expect her to stop talking with her "friend" instantly, give her time to slowly end the "friendship". Also, remember that their is some reason why she sought out this friendship in the first place so both of you must be willing to work it out.
One last thing, you can't be afraid to walk away, if she won't end things and it gets to the point where you can't handle it anymore, you need to be willing to let her go.
Shinae Nov 14th 2011 2:40PM
@Thallium
Robby wasn't insulting the Drama Mamas. He said this column focuses on the human element, which is often overlooked elsewhere.
Hob Nov 14th 2011 2:45PM
@Thallium
You might be misreading his comment. He says, "I find that this column focuses on an often overlooked facet." He's acknowledging that this column focuses on the human side.
Thallium Nov 14th 2011 2:47PM
@Shinae - Whoops, totally read it too fast. You're right.
Kylenne Nov 14th 2011 2:48PM
That's not necessarily true. It really depends on the context of the visit. I've had platonic dude friends come visit me before, but I also happen to live in a place that a lot of people love to want to visit and I like playing tour guide for a weekend. I've also heard of people taking road trips to visit internet friends before with no intention of making hook ups.
Multiple times within a couple of years is kind of side-eye worthy, though.
Sally Bowls Nov 14th 2011 3:22PM
+1 Kylenne
I could easily see a 12 hour drive to visit someone in Napa, Big Sur, Manhattan, New Orleans, Vegas and the environs of Yellowstone and Yosemite. Probably Atlanta, Dallas, Austin, San Diego.
OTOH, if you're in a flyover state ...
dj.clayden Nov 14th 2011 3:56PM
Meh.
I have a female friend at college, and I would certainly travel 12 hours to spend the day/weekend with her every often after we leave college, and I certainly wouldn't take a pass at her while she was dating someone. I've several times kept her relationship with her current boyfriend going when she's had doubts.
As cynical as I am, is it not even conceivable to everyone reading the OP's email that this older guy *isn't* devoid of morals?
dj.clayden Nov 14th 2011 3:58PM
every so often*
Lemons Nov 14th 2011 4:03PM
+Nothing to Kylenne
She's gay...so a dude visiting her doesn't really have the same effect on her relationship as a dude visiting Robby's GF.
dj.clayden Nov 14th 2011 4:21PM
Just to add, I realise reading the email and the writer's responses and the comments that it does indeed seem pretty suspicious, but almost everyone seems to have immediately concluded that the relationship is almost certainly sexual, or close to. It doesn't seem to me to be quite as certain.
Scooter Nov 14th 2011 4:24PM
I believe what Irysh is trying to say is that no man travels 12 hours for a casual encounter. It could be for lots of reasons but casual hanging-out isn't one of them.
Pyromelter Nov 14th 2011 4:46PM
I've been in a situation where I've developed feelings for someone - online - that I didn't even realize at all that those feelings were there.
It was only after I was tearing up after being rejected soundly that I realized how much emotion I had for that woman... I was like "Whoa, where the F is this coming from?"
I'm not sure I can be as absolute as some people, but I think the letter-writer is completely within his rights to be suspicious. Also, I think it's even more suspicious that her family is apparently supportive of all this. It feels like a situation "where there's smoke, there's fire."
My advice would be to take Robin's advice over Lisa's, try to be more social and make more friends, and be a bit more social with your gf (in real life, not in game). If she is still hanging with this guy, you might have to have a confrontation about it.
Just to keep this reply short, I'm going to write a non-reply post about having a confrontation with your significant other, click to a later page (or on my name) to find it.