How to make money playing the glyph market

Glyphs are probably the most common way scribes try make money. Really, it's no secret why -- every new character needs to buy three glyphs at level 25, another three at level 50, and yet three more at level 75. Demand for glyphs is almost always there -- or at least, demand for useful glyphs is almost always there.
On most servers, the glyph market on the Auction House is absolutely cutthroat. Players who are leveling inscription always have a boatload of glyphs to unload, and many are content to sell these at fire-sale prices just to be rid of them. On the other end of the market, you often have glyph salesmen constantly undercutting each other by one or two copper on a 50 gold item.
How do you compete against these people?
The best piece of general advice for anyone playing the glyph market: Have persistence. Know what each glyph costs you to make, and be willing to undercut your competition right down to the thinnest of profit margins. You have to be willing to work the same market for weeks, maintaining as steady a presence as you can. The harder you undercut your competition, the less value your competition will see in staying in the market and undercutting further. And as that competition starts filtering itself out of the glyph market, you can let prices return to a higher level to start making money yourself.
Even with heavy competition, it's possible to make money selling glyphs. If you are going to participate in this market, though, be sure you have realistic expectations. Know that for every 100 auctions you list, only two or three will sell. Those who are the most successful will be those with the most persistence, listing auctions several times a day, making sure their glyphs are always the lowest priced, even if only by a few copper.
What's the right price for a glyph?
Glyph prices are almost always determined on the supply side, independent of demand. The most useful of glyphs (i.e., the most frequently bought glyphs) are not always the most expensive, especially if a scribe can get access to that glyph early in the profession leveling process. Instead, the most expensive glyphs tend to be those that are the hardest for scribes to make -- those whose recipes are gated behind Books of Glyph Mastery or to a lesser extent, behind Minor Inscription Research.
If you're up against 20 or 30 other scribes trying to sell a certain type of glyph, you're somewhat powerless to set the market price yourself. You can either undercut the existing price (which is likely already pretty low) by a few copper and hope your auction sells before someone inevitably undercuts you. Or, alternatively, you can undercut the existing price hard and hope that your actions eventually chase the competition away. Both tactics have their merits. The former is good for a more casual player; most glyph sales are simply a result of listing the right auction at the right time. The latter is good for a more hardcore player who wants to dominate the inscription market through constant vigilance.
If you're only up against one or two other people, then you're in a much more powerful position when it comes to pricing. As I said before, most glyph salesmen will list their auctions at exorbitantly high prices when competition is absent. Prices of 100 gold, 200 gold, and even 500 gold are not uncommon when it comes to certain hard-to-find glyphs.
That being said, here's something to consider: Not all potential buyers will have the luxury of paying 200 or 500 gold for a single glyph. Newer players, whether they be new to a server or new to WoW itself, frequently find themselves strapped for cash at the times where they're most likely to be in the market for buying glyphs, immediately after they ding levels 25, 50, and 75. Even I've had to pass up glyphs I wanted because I couldn't afford them, instead buying less useful but far more competitively priced glyphs.
You'll have to play around a little bit to find your own server's sweet spot with regard to pricing. I've found some success with an alternating price strategy -- charging a higher price during weekdays when more hardcore players are likely to be on, and charging a far lower price on weekends to try and rope in more casual players who simply can't afford those higher weekday prices.
The best problem to have
I want to share with you all a question I got via Twitter from @haylandaniels. It highlights a less common problem some people have in dealing with heavy glyph market competition.
The given situation sounds like a scribe's wet dream. Most markets have the opposite problem -- margins that are far too low. This market's problem is one that's easily correctable by any one solitary person who has a reasonably leveled scribe and a desire to make money hand over fist.The glyph market on my PvP realm is crazy. Any suggestions on how to break the death grip of the 2 a-holes ruining it? by insane i mean Glyph of Howling Blast is 470g
No one person can ruin a market. Ruining a market is a collective effort. Half of the blame goes to the folks listing auctions at prices that are too high to sell. The other half goes to those who are willing to just sit around and let it happen, failing to compete in what is clearly a market ripe for competition.
Most of you folks can probably guess my response as to how to play this market: "Undercut those two a-holes, and do it hard." Specifically, I recommended undercutting by 95%, listing glyphs around 20g. @haylandaniel's response:
And that response is precisely why I suggested listing those glyphs at 20 gold. If he had listed his auction at 469g 99s, he'd have quickly been undercut -- probably to the tune of 469g 98s. Even a more significant undercut would have been matched -- 250g could easily be beat with 249g. If the gylphs sell for 249 gold instead of 470, the bad guys still walk away with quite a hefty profit. And @haylandaniel, in said situation, would walk away with nothing but hurt feelings.They just buy them up and resell them. They're evil. Evil I say.
A heavy undercut that drops the price all the way down to 20 gold creates a tough choice for the two market dominators. They could undercut at 19g 99s, but that would slash their profit margin from several thousand percent to just a few hundred percent. Or, they could just buy out your 20g auctions, essentially paying you a small fee to "reset" the market price to the much higher 470g. The latter tactic offers no guarantees, but they'll definitely make more money buying you out at 20g and then selling their auction at 470 (470-20 = 450) than simply undercutting you at 19g 99s (19.99 - 0 = 19.99).
Judging from @haylandaniel's response, the top scribes on his server are definitely using the buy-out-the-competition strategy. And that's no surprise -- it's a common tactic, albeit a risky one. It's a gamble that @haylandaniel will just go away. And judging from the tone of his tweet, he was considering doing just that. But ... why?
For @haylandaniel, this server's glyph market is a dream situation. He's found himself two steady customers, willing to buy his entire inventory out on a regular basis. Why should @haylandaniel care that his profits are coming from people trying to keep him out of the market, as opposed to end users of the glyph? Profits are profits.
I love people who try to buy out the competition. They tend to be my best customers, giving me hundreds if not thousands of gold in the hopes that I'll just go away. It typically ends very badly for them -- after a few weeks of buying me out, they find themselves holding on to hundreds of glyphs that they just can't sell. Their only choice is to give in, accept my terms, and start listing their auctions under 20 gold.
That's about the time I pack up my own shop. Take advantage of the competition's bad strategy, make money off it, and move on to a more profitable market. My advice to @haylandaniel: List those glyphs one or two at a time. And keep doing it until they stop buying. Easy money!
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Pantro Nov 14th 2011 5:07PM
Neat tips! Now I still need to adapt to undercut very heavilly when my fellow scribes are pricing high :p
Wellsee Nov 14th 2011 5:18PM
That is certainly good advice for him and a wonderful problem to have. I'd double the listing price on a few to see if they snatch them up or undercut. No reason to accept 20g when those guys will pay 40g.
My several week experiment in the market was the opposite: tons of glyphs listed around 8 to 14 gold. I got tired of the full mailbox of expired/canceled auctions (and that 1 minute wait for the next batch, and the next), the terrible sell rate and the full packs. From the mats gathering/buying to the processing time to the multitude of glyphs to list and hold, the time and effort weren't worth the low income. Lesson learned (for my server)!
ziggler Nov 14th 2011 6:08PM
Type /reload (or make a macro for it and assign a keybind to it), bam, wait time is over
wutsconflag Nov 14th 2011 6:59PM
The /reload trick only really works well if it takes less than 60 seconds for your UI to reload. (I realise some people have computers that can do that really quickly, but a lot of people out there don't. The reload trick might not actually save them any time at all.)
;)
Twill Nov 14th 2011 10:45PM
I never knew about the /reload thing.
Another question --
Since glyphs are a one-time-use thing, isn't the market drying up? That's what I've always thought but I'm one of the weird people who has every class above 70 and knows every glyph already >.>
Azrielen Nov 15th 2011 6:26AM
@Twill
You'd think so, but being a determined glyph-seller since day one, I've seen the market go up and down, but it's never dried up. It's odd!
emberdione Nov 14th 2011 5:19PM
I love love LOVE when competitors try to buy me out. They try to do it on Mysterious Fortune Cards. Go ahead sweet cheeks. I HAVE THREE THOUSAND OF THEM IN MY BAGS. WE CAN DO THIS ALL DAY.
The best part is, if you list them a few at a time over the course of the day, like using mobile AH, then a few legit customers sneak in, and the barons find themselves having to spend a great deal of time watching you.
Like for me, a single MFC costs about 7.75g to make on my server. So as long as I am selling over 8g, I am making money. But instead, my competitors try to push the 15-20g limit. So I undercut, in large quantities, in multiple stack sizes, at 12g per card. And I do mean I list about 1-2k cards at once. So now, their stock is listed, but isn't going to sell and they are unwilling to drop below 15g. They try to buy me out, re-listing at their higher price, not realizing I have 3-4k MORE CARDS sitting in my bags. Usually they buyout about 3k of my cards before they are out of money. After a month or so of this happening each week, one of the guys doing it, undercut down to 5g per card. I bought all my stock BACK for less than half of what I got for it. It was *glorious*.
Minor Magic Nov 14th 2011 6:35PM
You are brilliant and evil and I want to know what server you are on so I can avoid you!
emberdione Nov 14th 2011 7:17PM
It really only works when the "Barons" as I call the two guys try to take over my market. They give it a good effort about every other month or so.
It's hilarious, because I generally don't pay much attention and only make cards on Sunday, then sell them all week. But the Barons give themselves away by advertizing in Trade Chat, and they love to use the "lowest buyout" line. I notice and sure enough, they have bought out my stock. So I list while they advertize. *mwahaha*
The buying cards back at a super reduced rate only happened once, and I think the guy realized it was me, but I did get about 6k cards for 5g each, then relisted them all at 12g each. :)
seanaperkins Nov 14th 2011 5:24PM
meh - this is perpetuating the myth that one person should have all of a particular market. If the market on that server is supporting 450g per glyph, why ruin that with 20g glyphs? So you make 4-5g a glyph that you list 2 glyphs two times a day? That's incredibly foolish. If the mat price makes that glyph (at 20g) is a 20% markup, I'll buy all day long and re-list at 450. I've noticed that glyphs, by in large, sold from whomever is lowest at the moment. If I'm selling 1 glyph for 450g every two days while buying 4 of yours at 20g (again, every two days) - 1) that's less time I have to spend making that glyph and 4-5g is basically a convenience fee for me. Should my competition get aggressive and start posting 5-10 glyphs at that 20g price point, I'll tank the market - I'll list a couple at 1g, 2g, etc. Throw a TUJ notification on the glyph and wait for you to buy me out. Then tank it again. Most large scale goblins will accept a small to mid-range loss in exchange for ridding themselves of aggravating competitors. My advice, sit back and ride the high market for as long as you can, cuz it won't last for long.
Artificial Nov 14th 2011 6:53PM
"If the market on that server is supporting 450g per glyph, why ruin that with 20g glyphs?"
Because the number of old hardcore players with huge amounts of cash around that haven't yet bought the glyph in question is miniscule compared to the number of newer players that can't afford 450g for that glyph. You *think* you're making huge profits because of your huge margin, but in fact you're *losing* MASSIVE amounts of gold every week dribbling a few glyphs out at that price instead of selling to the vastly large market of people who would like the glyph but only have a few hundred gold total and are looking at the oncoming needs for buying flying or whatever their next big expense it.
If you want to lose money foolishly, that's fine. I'll just set my prices at more reasonable levels and laugh my way to the bank with the huge amounts of money I'm raking in compared to you...
Basil Berntsen Nov 14th 2011 11:06PM
Artificial, you are awesome.
Jem Nov 15th 2011 2:42AM
I sold 4k glyphs in 12 hours, most of them to the "major players" by undercutting their 200g glyphs with 40g glyphs. I then went on to make another 20k+ gold using the same tactics, and undercutting them again when they caved and realised they weren't going to buy out my supply and started listing at 39g in competition with me. As Artifical says, there's profit to be made in volumes of low price sales vs irregular high priced sales.
However, I didn't do it to make gold. I had buckets of ink from helping a friend make DMF cards, he didn't want the surplus pigments from milling all the herbs and I had insane amounts lying around. I decided to offload it and discovered the (in my opinion) highly overpriced glyph market on my server. I don't agree with the high pricing strategies some people use, and I had the time, stock and inclination to mess with the market for a bit. A few others had the same idea and we discovered that the major players were buying half our listings. It amused me no end when after about 5 weeks they were forced to relist all that stock at lower prices than what they paid me for it.
It might take you 2 days to sell a glyph at 450g. Mine were being sold as fast as I could list them some nights. I'm not trying to max out my gold, just make a reasonable amount with stuff I have on hand. I'll take my 100 glyphs sold fast for 40g each vs your single sale at 450g every couple of days. By the time you've sold that one glyph, I've sold hundreds.
xvkarbear Nov 14th 2011 5:29PM
I use to play the glyph market in wrath. I just recently got back into it.. and I agree, being persistent is the best way to go.
at first I was just going through the cancel-relist process once a day. Some days this yielded me only two or three sold glyphs.
So last week I started to do the cancel-relist process two or three times a day. Whenever I had free time and was at my computer, I would check to see if anyone undercut me.
I'm slowly driving my competition away! I love it. I have to undercut fewer glyphs each day.
I've mostly jumped back into the glyph market because there's no point in playing the volatile game atm. At least on my server, they all are going for rock bottom prices. I'd love to just buy them all up but without income from somewhere.. I'd eventually run out of gold without guarantee that I'm going to get it all back in 4.3. Plus I feel I have "enough" volatiles to make me a happyhappy person when the patch hits.
Pyromelter Nov 14th 2011 8:37PM
" being persistent is the best way to go."
Absolutely. I will say that glyph posting is definitely the most cutthroat "AH pvp" but you can still win by just making every glyph you have, and making a few of the rarer ones, and just post them all.
This is what I did when I was heavy into the glyph market:
I made one of every glyph I could make (unless I had one in stock already), and for the highest priced ones (50-100g or more) i'd make 3-4 of those. I'd have my bank mule post all of them. The ones that were undercut i'd cancel and relist just like carebear, a couple of times during the day when I could.
I wouldn't make any new glyphs until I ran out of my stock (or I'd only remake the expensive/rare ones).
Didn't make a crap ton of money on the cutthroat server I was on, but I made some decent cheese on it.
xvkarbear Nov 14th 2011 8:46PM
@Pyromelter
I did that back in Wrath. The only problem with that (and the glyph game in general) is it takes a ton of constantly active work. Buy the herbs, Mill the herbs (I have somewhere between 40 stacks of cinderbloom just sitting in my bank because I'm not in the mood to mill them), convert the pigments to ink (at least with this you can go make a sandwich), use your favorite addon to figure out what kind of glyphs to make, make them, mail them to your alt, and then you start listing of hundreds of glyphs and relisting when someone undercuts you.
Back in wrath all that work was worth it because you just made flipping OODLES of gold. It was almost too easy to make gold that way. I am a tad bit nostalgic.
Pyromelter Nov 14th 2011 8:49PM
you're right karbear, and I agree. The people who are best at setting up addons/automating are going to do this the best. I never took the time to completely automate crafting efficiently, so I let it be after glyphmas.
Milling. Ugh. Freakin hate it. I wish the game would just let you mill an entire stack at a time instead of just the 5 at a time.
Jwee Nov 14th 2011 5:34PM
Good tip! Though it might be better to start with selling your own glyphs for a bit higher prices.
If those ppl ruining the market (by buying and reselling your glyphs) are willing to pay 20g, the might be willing to pay 50g too.
Post a few glyphs at 50g each first on an alt, see if they buy it. If they buy your glyphs at 50g just to resell them, start selling more glyphs at 50g. Why settle for 20g a glyph if those would-be monopolists are willing to pay you 50g for it?
You can alway lower your prices more ;-)
vocenoctum Nov 14th 2011 6:16PM
I dont' recall offhand if glyphs say who made them (I don't believe so), but it'd be great fun to list glyphs on 5 different alts at slightly varying prices. :)
Mark Nov 14th 2011 6:28PM
@vocenoctum
They don't say who made them, so you could do that.