Officers' Quarters: Return of an X guild leader

This is sort of long and rather complicated. I'm currently in a guild that I like but has had a leadership problem. In late Wrath/early Cata, we had a medium-sized, friendly guild who aspired to be a casual raiding guild. It was run by a guy we'll call X. X was a pretty good guild leader -- he sponsored events and would sometimes run dungeons. We were, for the most part, a great little guild with potential to be a great little raiding guild.
This all changed when X went to another server. At first he left leadership to Y, but Y soon left and leadership ended up all of a sudden in the hands of Z. Z was not a level 85 and rarely participated in the guild. He would not log on for weeks and this made it difficult to have a functional guild. As a result, people left in droves, many of whom had been important parts of the guild before the leadership change.
Two of the most active players who logged on regularly were myself and my sister, B. We tried to do things as a guild but we didn't have enough active players to regularly form a guild group, even with just 3 people. Sometimes Z would log on after 29 days, just in time to prevent us from kicking him. After a few months, we finally did take back leadership and B became GM.
Hi, Frustrated. Your instincts are serving you well here, in my opinion. By masquerading as a different guild leader on a secret alt, X has shown you that he is fully capable of deceit in order to get what he wants. That raises all sorts of red flags. He also didn't do the guild any favors during his tenure as absentee guild leader Z.We're both busy college students, but we tried to sponsor events and dungeon runs. Unfortunately, this has become extremely difficult due to many of our highest level and active players leaving. We started recruiting and just now have gotten our guild to stop bleeding members. My sister B wanted to rename the guild and give us a new image so we are no longer known as "the guild whose GM left to play on a different server". Unfortunately, within the past week, my sister has gotten busy with schoolwork. If she is gone for much longer, she would consider giving temporary leadership to me, as I log on almost everyday. This is bad timing because, just a few days ago, the old GM X came back.
Literally, one of the first things he said to me was that he wanted to be GM again. He seemed insulted that B would take leadership of "his guild", even though he left it in poor hands. I like X, but I was a little surprised by his attitude. He even went so far as to count down the days until he could kick B (which, ironically, we did for Z!)
Furthermore, I also learned that Z was his alt. It was X (who we thought was someone else named Z) who we wrestled the GMship from in the first place. X/Z logs on after months of absence and wants everything to go back to the way it was. He doesn't want to rename the guild or allow B to follow through with her plan. We were finally recovering from X/Z's actions, about to get a new name and a fresh start, when the old GM comes back. B seems to be willing to negotiate (she hasn't logged on lately because she has had several exams), but I'm not sure this will end well.
X is a knowledgeable player and has several alts he wants to bring to the guild, but I don't know if we can trust his leadership. He let us down before, why wouldn't he let us down again? I also don't like the attitude that he has displayed to the people who have taken over leadership of the guild in his absence. B is my sister, is a capable person, and wants to take the guild in a new direction, but she isn't sure she has the spare time to do it. X, however, seems to have the time but may repeat his past mistakes. I'm caught in the middle of this. I have put a lot of time and love into this guild--I'm exalted with the guild and I have contributed the most total XP to the guild (over a guild level worth!). What should I do? I don't want to leave, but I'm not sure I'm going to like what will come out of this.
Sincerely,
Frustrated
Not his guild anymore
Let's get one thing clear up front: You don't owe X anything. The way he left -- and then the underhanded way he took back control of the guild with an unidentified alt -- means that he does not deserve to lead this guild. He has no legitimate claim to it anymore. Don't feel guilty if you refuse to give in to his requests. This guild belongs to the people who supported it in his absence.
If you decide to promote him back to guild leader, you are taking a huge risk that the same problems will arise. It's not worth it.
A compromise
One possible solution would be to bring him back as an officer only. If he has the time to help the guild, he can do that without being the guild leader.
Offering him that compromise will also tell you a lot about his intentions. If he insists on having the guild leader position, he doesn't actually want to help as much as he says he does. He merely wants to be the top dog again. If he truly cares about the guild, he will accept being an officer so he can do that.
Obviously you should keep him on a very short leash. If he shows any signs of undermining the other officers, and your sister in particular, then demote him or kick him. In an officer role, he doesn't have to support your sister's plan to revive the guild. However, as long as the other officers agree with her, he has to accept their decision.
Is it worth it?
If you think that the potential drama is worth adding a player of his caliber, then by all means give it a shot. On the whole, however, you will probably be better off without bringing him back into the guild at all. After everything that's happened, I don't just see the trade-off being worthwhile. Sooner or later, there's going to be trouble.
If you need more help from other officers to keep things going while your sister is so busy, you can find other members to help you. Don't hand the guild over to him simply because the two of you can't run it on your own. Seek assistance elsewhere.
/salute
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Stassles Nov 14th 2011 9:13AM
Kick Z now & be done.
Its not worth the agrivation or Drama.
He left once. He will do it again.
SOOOOO not worth it.
Thallium Nov 14th 2011 9:39AM
So very much this. Kick and move on.
Killik Nov 14th 2011 10:07AM
It's no longer the guild he left. If he insists on demanding control, kick him.
loop_not_defined Nov 14th 2011 10:19AM
Pretty much what everybody else is saying. Kick him NOW. Because he WILL undermine you and your sister's efforts. Hell, he's doing that right now.
Edymnion Nov 14th 2011 11:36AM
Long story short, it isn't his guild anymore. He abandoned it, thats how you got control of it. The fact he came back now that YOU have put the hard work into making it semi-successful again is just reeking of douchebaggery. He left, guild almost fell apart, you guys saved it. You are the DM now (well, B is, but you might be soon), it is your guild, YOU are the ones that decide what happens.
X may have started the guild, but he lost any rights to it long ago, even without the underhanded ninja-GMing.
Gulthor Nov 14th 2011 11:39AM
Yep, go through with the name change, change the identity of his guild, and then, guess what? His old guild name will be available again. Let *him* start over if he wants to be guild leader so bad. He's underhanded, deceitful, and disrespectful. Tell him you plan on going through with your plans, offer to let him stay - *not* as an officer - but give him the option that if he wants to have "his guild" back, the name will be available for him to use.
Tai Nov 14th 2011 12:14PM
How could you ever trust X/Z again? Your sister is right and the people in the guild now are there because of what you two have done. Kick, and kick fast, and move on with a new guild name and fresh start.
Glaras Nov 14th 2011 12:19PM
Kick him now, rename the guild, move on in the new direction.
Now, this to Scott Andrews: Dude! Bad advice to even *suggest* that X be allowed to remain in any capacity! There is no amount of capability that X could bring to the game that would justify the risk of what he could do to the guild.
Randolyn Nov 14th 2011 12:30PM
Absolutely agree. You shouldn't even let X/Z back into the guild at all, let alone consider making him an officer.
I'm willing to bet a shiny new quarter that the reason he even came back to your server is that he was a ass-weasel to the guild that he transferred to and got kicked out.
Calmly and politely tell him thanks, but no thanks, the guild is going in a different direction now, and good luck to him. Then /gkick.
Ballmung Nov 14th 2011 2:12PM
Pretty much what everyone else here said. It's not his guild now and he clearly shouldn't be trusted. His GM alt left server and when Z was the GM it was a hassle to save the guild from his inaction. If he really cared he would have done something then. Kick him and rename. You guys deserve a fresh start.
As for worrying about not being on enough, then have your sister give you the GM position just so its secure. I'm not sure of your living arrangements but hell, she could still lead through you by proxy.
Samuel Nov 14th 2011 9:13AM
I'm confused. I thought kicking the GM for not logging on for a month was something that would not come until the next patch. I have a toon in a small guild where the GM has not logged in over a month, and the only other toon has not been on in 4 months. It does not give me any option to take over the guild.
dodgeballer2005 Nov 14th 2011 9:15AM
If the guild leader's gone for a specific amount of time, an officer can pass duties to someone else. The GM can't be kicked, but he can be demoted.
sushigaski Nov 14th 2011 9:28AM
The new system is merely an automation of the existing policy. Right now, if your guild leader has been offline for over 30 days, you can put in a ticket petitioning blizzard to hand over control of the guild.
Tanya Nov 14th 2011 10:43AM
I believe in 4.3 it becomes an automatic pop up option. Prior to that you have to petition a GM to have the guildleader removed from leadership position for lack of logging in.
woecip Nov 14th 2011 9:14AM
Real life has enough things to deal with. You and your sis say the heck with it and walk away and start your own guild. Loyal people my follow or soon follow. Run from this idiot.
loop_not_defined Nov 14th 2011 10:22AM
I don't think giving in to one idiot - and throwing away everything they've contributed - is the best way to handle this situation. It's also endorsing X/Z's underhanded tactics.
Den Nov 14th 2011 11:47AM
And this is why we put guild structure in writing. I know people want to just be a "social guild" but any time you get 2 people together, you'll have an argument. Each additional person is capable of helping but also for disagreeing. It's why people created hierarchies and governments. We need rules, even for games.
Check earthbound.guildportal.com and look at the socialization section. It's long compared to what other guilds have, but it at least outlines how drama is dealt with and leaders are chosen so this stuff is easier to shut down. I honestly think Mr. Andrews should start every answer with "write your guild rules and policies and put them somewhere people can see it, then make them agree to them before joining" as a simple answer and go from there. It'll fix 95% of the issues featured here ;P
WrecklessMEDIC Nov 14th 2011 5:24PM
I agree with Woecip. Why people insist on staying in a guild when the GM wants to take a break is beyond me. It's his guild. He started it. You should've left a long time ago. If he wants it back I say give it to him and go start your own bloody guild. It's not that friggin hard.
That's exactly why I booted everyone before I took a break....lol. My guild will be there waiting whenever I come back. Even if it's years from now. :)
Harvoc Nov 14th 2011 11:04PM
@ WrecklessMEDIC
So you kicked everyone in that guild, even if they helped the guild advance, just so their douchebag of a leader could take a break and not worry about them doing the right thing, and taking over from their absentee leader? Wow...what an asshole.
dodgeballer2005 Nov 14th 2011 9:14AM
I think my old guild went this route around the time I left. No; I was an officer, but the guild leader of my old guild switched realms as far as I was told...