Officers' Quarters: Return of an X guild leader

This is sort of long and rather complicated. I'm currently in a guild that I like but has had a leadership problem. In late Wrath/early Cata, we had a medium-sized, friendly guild who aspired to be a casual raiding guild. It was run by a guy we'll call X. X was a pretty good guild leader -- he sponsored events and would sometimes run dungeons. We were, for the most part, a great little guild with potential to be a great little raiding guild.
This all changed when X went to another server. At first he left leadership to Y, but Y soon left and leadership ended up all of a sudden in the hands of Z. Z was not a level 85 and rarely participated in the guild. He would not log on for weeks and this made it difficult to have a functional guild. As a result, people left in droves, many of whom had been important parts of the guild before the leadership change.
Two of the most active players who logged on regularly were myself and my sister, B. We tried to do things as a guild but we didn't have enough active players to regularly form a guild group, even with just 3 people. Sometimes Z would log on after 29 days, just in time to prevent us from kicking him. After a few months, we finally did take back leadership and B became GM.
Hi, Frustrated. Your instincts are serving you well here, in my opinion. By masquerading as a different guild leader on a secret alt, X has shown you that he is fully capable of deceit in order to get what he wants. That raises all sorts of red flags. He also didn't do the guild any favors during his tenure as absentee guild leader Z.We're both busy college students, but we tried to sponsor events and dungeon runs. Unfortunately, this has become extremely difficult due to many of our highest level and active players leaving. We started recruiting and just now have gotten our guild to stop bleeding members. My sister B wanted to rename the guild and give us a new image so we are no longer known as "the guild whose GM left to play on a different server". Unfortunately, within the past week, my sister has gotten busy with schoolwork. If she is gone for much longer, she would consider giving temporary leadership to me, as I log on almost everyday. This is bad timing because, just a few days ago, the old GM X came back.
Literally, one of the first things he said to me was that he wanted to be GM again. He seemed insulted that B would take leadership of "his guild", even though he left it in poor hands. I like X, but I was a little surprised by his attitude. He even went so far as to count down the days until he could kick B (which, ironically, we did for Z!)
Furthermore, I also learned that Z was his alt. It was X (who we thought was someone else named Z) who we wrestled the GMship from in the first place. X/Z logs on after months of absence and wants everything to go back to the way it was. He doesn't want to rename the guild or allow B to follow through with her plan. We were finally recovering from X/Z's actions, about to get a new name and a fresh start, when the old GM comes back. B seems to be willing to negotiate (she hasn't logged on lately because she has had several exams), but I'm not sure this will end well.
X is a knowledgeable player and has several alts he wants to bring to the guild, but I don't know if we can trust his leadership. He let us down before, why wouldn't he let us down again? I also don't like the attitude that he has displayed to the people who have taken over leadership of the guild in his absence. B is my sister, is a capable person, and wants to take the guild in a new direction, but she isn't sure she has the spare time to do it. X, however, seems to have the time but may repeat his past mistakes. I'm caught in the middle of this. I have put a lot of time and love into this guild--I'm exalted with the guild and I have contributed the most total XP to the guild (over a guild level worth!). What should I do? I don't want to leave, but I'm not sure I'm going to like what will come out of this.
Sincerely,
Frustrated
Not his guild anymore
Let's get one thing clear up front: You don't owe X anything. The way he left -- and then the underhanded way he took back control of the guild with an unidentified alt -- means that he does not deserve to lead this guild. He has no legitimate claim to it anymore. Don't feel guilty if you refuse to give in to his requests. This guild belongs to the people who supported it in his absence.
If you decide to promote him back to guild leader, you are taking a huge risk that the same problems will arise. It's not worth it.
A compromise
One possible solution would be to bring him back as an officer only. If he has the time to help the guild, he can do that without being the guild leader.
Offering him that compromise will also tell you a lot about his intentions. If he insists on having the guild leader position, he doesn't actually want to help as much as he says he does. He merely wants to be the top dog again. If he truly cares about the guild, he will accept being an officer so he can do that.
Obviously you should keep him on a very short leash. If he shows any signs of undermining the other officers, and your sister in particular, then demote him or kick him. In an officer role, he doesn't have to support your sister's plan to revive the guild. However, as long as the other officers agree with her, he has to accept their decision.
Is it worth it?
If you think that the potential drama is worth adding a player of his caliber, then by all means give it a shot. On the whole, however, you will probably be better off without bringing him back into the guild at all. After everything that's happened, I don't just see the trade-off being worthwhile. Sooner or later, there's going to be trouble.
If you need more help from other officers to keep things going while your sister is so busy, you can find other members to help you. Don't hand the guild over to him simply because the two of you can't run it on your own. Seek assistance elsewhere.
/salute
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 3)
matt Nov 14th 2011 9:21AM
talk to the players that you and your sister recruited and pack it up. This isn't gonna end well. I would just move along, assuming some of the recruits are willing to start fresh with you. Organize a few nights of dungeon grinding every week and the new guild will be 25 in no time.
good luck
gazimoff Nov 14th 2011 9:33AM
After the amount of work they've sunk into levelling the guild, I wouldn't agree with this. Tell Z to put up or shut up - he can either be a member of the guild the way it is or he can leave.
Personally I'd kick him (along with any other alts you're not sure about). Deceit and manipulation do not make for a happy guild, and he has both in spades.
andres.dc39 Nov 14th 2011 9:36AM
I don't know if this is the way. While it doesn't sound like this is a large guild we are talking about, some of the members might be left behind and some others might just want to start fresh on a new guild considering that's what they are being asked anyway.
Cheb Nov 14th 2011 9:40AM
I think this is a great idea. You can name your guild what you want, you won't have the stigma of being ditched by X the first time around, and everything you earn will be yours. Sure, you'll miss out on achievement progress and any perks you had in the old guild, but I think a fresh start for everyone would be best. You can also organize nights to do old achievements in case people don't always feel like dungeoning or raiding. It'll be a fun way to strengthen guild ties.
Angus Nov 14th 2011 10:28AM
Does guild transfer allow you to switch names and not faction or realm transfer but still make that new guild? Tell everyone that the new guild name is "W" have anyone that wants to stay with B and the OP go to it. X can have his guild back.
At level 1.
If he wants to make it better, he has the opportunity. Otherwise, well, it will wither and die soon enough. Now everyone is happy. B and Op can make the guild they want, X can be GM of the old guild. X may be mad about the loss of all the perqs, but that is too bad, put up or shut up.
Sarahjane Nov 14th 2011 9:30AM
Well he ruined your guild twice. Not much to think about here.
steak Nov 14th 2011 9:36AM
sounds like as they are are about to implement the transfer a guild thing that, that is what he plans to do. get leadership back then take his guild to the other server i would tell him go to hell. imho
Daedhir Nov 14th 2011 1:15PM
Yup, that's exactly it.
If you promote him, even to officer, he'll boot you and transfer the guild. You will be left with nothing.
If he left the guild, it's not his anymore. He can deal with that. Tell him to eat it.
Namssob Nov 14th 2011 9:44AM
Sell it back to him! Seriously, if B is not interested in being guild leader any longer, and if things are so bad that you can't get groups or events going, you could (a) sell it to him and get some hefty gold out of it, and then (b) start your own guild.
Short of that, Kizl X/Z once and for all the. There should be NO expectation to get the guild back, and his attitude makes it more pleasurable to keep it from him. if he had come back nice, friendly, and without that chip on his shoulder, things might be different for me.
akoryj Nov 14th 2011 1:54PM
There is no way you should hand over leadership to this person. There is zero benefit. I agree that it is not even worth it to allow him back into the guild. He left twice basically. He doesn't deserve the compromise of being an officer. Secret alts that take over "leadership" and then try and let you fail? I don't think so. You've already been burned twice through no fault of your own, if it happens a third time it is your fault for allowing it to happen.
end.user Nov 14th 2011 9:51AM
Why would they ever leave? They own the guild G-kick X and any alts and if anyone questions tell them you're not going to take threats from a guy who abandoned the guild months ago.
Compromise is for active members in good standing, X is neither.
Samuel Nov 14th 2011 9:51AM
First, have B transfer leadership to you. You have the time and inclination to be engaged in this process and she does not right now. You can give it back later.
Second, have a vote among all existing members. Secret ballots by in-game mail to you or someone you trust. Do you want current leadership, probably meaning the name change, or to send the guild back to X/Z?
If you "win" the vote, tell everyone, including X/Z, they are welcome to stay or leave. If they become a problem kick them.
Creid Nov 14th 2011 9:51AM
If it's a level 25 guild I wouldn't be surprised if he's coming back just in time to transfer it. He's proven to be deceitful.
hannah Nov 14th 2011 2:17PM
I agree, he is almost certainly showing up again now that guild transfer services exist. He either wants to take the guild to his new realm, or he caught wind of the fact that level 25 guilds commonly go for 250-350k gold and wants to profit off of the work you did after he left. Don't let him get his foot in the door!
SPI Nov 14th 2011 10:28AM
He ran the guild on a secret alt? I'm sorry that's I all need to read to know this guy is fully certified douche bag.
Sian Nov 14th 2011 10:32AM
Personally, I wouldn't let your returning GM have any access to the guild either as a member or an officer. I would certainly not negotiate witj him. It is no longer his guild, he left any "rights" to it when he buggered off to another server! His intensions are clear and they would benefit himself and not the guild. I would suggest accepting leadership from your sister as an active guild needs an active leader. There is nothing to stop you from moving the guild forward with your sister being am active part of it.
styopa Nov 14th 2011 10:31AM
Better to be known as the "guild whose former leader bailed and left it a wreck that we saved and renamed to start over" than the "guild that was abandoned and then allowed the former gm to take it over again and move it off the server because it was lvl 25".
elzeebeth Nov 14th 2011 10:34AM
Sadly I agree with some of the other comments - X/Z is not the sort of person you want in the guild, no matter how capable he is. You have worked hard with your guild since he left you and no way should you hand it over to him. Personally I would not have him in the guild at all - if he wants a guild then he can make one himself.
seynn smolderthorn us Nov 14th 2011 12:34PM
Yeah, he needs to kick bricks. He can stay in the guild as a member, but the way I see it and how its been since I started playing wow and every guild I've been in, when you give up guild leadership, that's it, no takesies backsies. So he can go to his other realm and QQ over there.
Noah Nov 14th 2011 10:44AM
This guy sounds like a real dick of a control freak. First he leaves, but he doesn't want to lose control of "his" guild, so he makes an alt the GM and never helps anyone with anything, and when he comes back he just wants the guild back. The guy sounds like a huge ass.
My suggestion is kick him, buy a name change so he can't screw with your guild and badmouth you, and leave it at that.