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11-16-2011 @ 1:32PM
The simple solution is to join a raiding guild. Yes, I know a lot of people don't have time for that. Well, here's your consolation prize. Plus, consider that a lot of people will learn the fights in a month or so. It may be rough every patch for the first month, but I predict it smoothing out by then.
11-16-2011 @ 1:54PM
"Not having the time" is an excuse. There are plenty of good casual raiding guilds. In my guild, we have zero attendance requirements. We make a group out of who shows up that night. Sometimes we have 2-3 extra people who have to sit, sometimes we're 1-2 short, but generally, people get to raid whenever they want to. Note: we do 25man raids, which works well for this type of guild. I would not recommend trying to do this in 10mans.
11-16-2011 @ 3:38PM
@Moladun: Of course it's an excuse. And no, it doesn't work for 10s. But the type of player who wants to go into LFR and be carried is also the guy who will go, "I don't have 10 minutes to research the basics of my class" or "I don't have 5minutes to read the dungeon journal". In other words, the guy who's too lazy to find a casual guild (and might be too lazy to learn how to do decent dps).
11-16-2011 @ 3:20PM
Yeah, I think the raid finder will be pretty rough for the first month or two, until a critical mass of users have a decent knowledge of the fights, and are geared up a bit more. Then it will get better and better, until by the end of patch the forums will be full of complaints that the raid finder shows how Blizzard only caters to casuals.Look at Firelands currently. It is pretty routinely puggable; I've taken part in a GDKP run that downs Rag on a weekly basis while doing some bosses on heroic. We're only about 4 months into that patch.
11-16-2011 @ 4:28PM
Show me a raiding guild that accepts the player not the class (as in, no "You need to be X spec with Y build and Z glyphs to raid with us") that isn't elitist in thinking they're hot shiat, that will actually say "Oh hey, you can't make it for the next two weeks? Okay, your slot will be here when you get back." and I *MIGHT* consider joining a raiding guild.Until that fantasy comes true, I'll stick to my non-raiding guilds, thank you very much.
11-16-2011 @ 5:03PM
Moladun I'm in a 10 man guild that does basically the same thing, it works perfectly fine and I love it, I don;t see why you say it wouldn;t work.
11-16-2011 @ 5:58PM
I didn't say it wouldn't work, I said I wouldn't recommend it. IMO 25s work better for casual guilds, assuming your GM and recruitment officer can keep your roster at the right level. In a 10, you generally need to pay at least rudimentary concern for raid comp, in a 25man, you're pretty much guaranteed to be able to do what you need to do with who you get. (especially if several of you are alt-o-halics)In a 25, whatever drops can generally be used by someone, which makes people generally happier than showing up to a raid and seeing stuff get repeatedly sharded.Considering you're just hoping people show up, and generally later in the tier people get bored and stop showing up, if you plan on doing 25 and don't have enough people, you can break down into 2 10s or worst case a single 10. In my guild, on scheduled nights, there's ALWAYS a raid. Also, we can have a bench of people without people feeling they get sat out every other raid.@Edymnion: My guild is exactly like that, and I'm sure we're not the only ones. I'm assuming that it's against the rules to post a link to our website or I'd link it. I'd suggest either trolling the wow recruitment forums or put up a post there stating what you want, and review the pages of guild spam you'll get.
11-16-2011 @ 6:00PM
Edymnion - our guild is primarily a raiding guild, where if people go missing for two weeks they are eagerly welcomed back. We have 12 raiders for a 10-man, with enough people having alts and off-specs that we can fill in where needed. When four of us had to be out for a fortnight the guild just went *shrug* "okay, real life comes first" and pugged to fill the slots. We're raiders, we can run Firelands normal in a single night, but we're not heroic raiders. If you're OK with that, the guilds are out there.
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