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11-23-2011 @ 4:19PM
Why would Murazond's force try to stop Arthas from going to Northrend, or Mediv from opening the Portal?
11-23-2011 @ 5:05PM
TFH here, so bear with me:This seems to be one of those cases where the concepts of "hero" and "villain" are getting extremely muddled. Both Nozdormu and Murozond may see themselves as the hero and each other as the villain. To illustrate:Why does Nozdormu keep allowing death and violence to happen, especially to the innocent? Why does Murozond wish to weaken the weaken the world through a time of peace that is only temporary before a wave of destruction washes down on us all?You see? In a way, they are both the hero and the villain. They are both in that murky grey area of morality (aka the choice between one child and a thousand adults, and neither side has done anything wrong). Maybe a conclusion to draw is that in Nozdormu;s madness that turned him into Murozond, his definition of what it means to be a hero was changed. In the Well of Eternity instance, we see an example of that change and, no matter how temporary, we help him achieve that change in one part of the timeline. Wrap your head around THAT.
11-23-2011 @ 5:12PM
Further smoke screens. If Murazond isn't doing anything to threaten you or the timeline, then you have no reason to kill him.
11-23-2011 @ 5:41PM
Was he ever really trying to prevent those or to pose token threats as the impetus to use us to form time as we have?
11-23-2011 @ 6:27PM
No Arthas means the Scourge wouldn't have moved far outside Lordaeron and they wouldn't have had an ambulatory leader.No Dark Portal means Stormwindwouldn't have fallen and they would have been in a position to help with the Dwarf in-fighting, the Scourge outbreak, Gnomeregan and other occurrences. (And Stromgarde and Gilneas would be around as well to help.) No Thrall.. hmm.. the Humans going west might have met the Darkspears and Taurens, then the Elves, for a more unified and earlier assembled stand against Archimonde? Plus no Orcs means Cenarius would have stomped Mannoroth into the dust. Oh, and all the soldiers Lordaeron had running around tracking Orcs would have been free to worry about those rumours of the dead rising.Just guessing with those, but (especially with the Dark Portal) I usually wanted to stand back and let the Infinites do their thing. But those by-the-book bribing Bronze bastards kept offering me gear.
11-23-2011 @ 9:51PM
I think people are missing the point of this KYL, it's not that murazond is actually trying to STOP these things, it's that without us players intevention these things would have gone the other way, so murazond is tricking us into going there by giving us a target, his infinite flight.Atleast that's what I got out of this article.
11-24-2011 @ 12:24AM
No Arthas / Lich King in Northrend, no heroes to go kill Yogg'Saron.
11-24-2011 @ 12:42AM
"feeling that a world in conflict would be a better crucible for heroes fit to stand against the end"Moruzond sends his dragons to the dark portal against Medivh and to the Culling of Stratholme to ensure Nozdormu sends heroes there to ENSURE that those events happen. We talked about figures being enlightened here so what if Medivh and Arthas were stopped?For Medivh there would have been no orcs in Azeroth and no first or second war. Point is there would be no conflict in our world as it is now. Clearly I'm not 100% on the lore here but if I'm correct then Medivh was the Guardian of Tirisfal and so was supposed to protect the world after Aegwynn. Bringing orcs to destroy the world is not something a protector does and if left to his own, it may have been possible Medivh would have come to his senses to save the world, as he appears to try to do in the third war.Same could be said for Arthas. He was a paladin of the Light. A protector of the innocent. This, though, can be boiled down to him making a poor choice in a crisis. He was not given the help of the people he relied on most and made a snap call against a demon bent on destruction. Assume however Moruzond manipulated things as you will but imagine if Arthas kept the guiding hand of Uther and the support of Jaina. He would have found what we would see as a more peaceful and Light oriented solution instead of killing everyone on sight and becoming hellbent on revenge. But because that never happened, Arthas became the Lich King and was another being to cause conflict and actually helped the adventuring heroes of Azeroth become stronger through all our time in Northrend.We can extend this to interfering with the escape of Thrall. Thrall needs out and can the machinations of one girl really get past the fortress protecting Thrall? No. A group of adventurers needs to be assembled by Nozdormu to break into Durnholde and let him out. Thrall would then assemble the orcs for the third war and essentially all of the story since WoW's launch. We needed Thrall to also go to Outland and talk to Garrosh so he would become eventually Warchief and lead us to the conflict we're in right now. It all starts when Thrall becomes free. Otherwise he would continue to be another slave and eventually die for the entertainment of Blackmoore.Since I'm now going off like this, I believe the reason we DON'T see the Infinites anytime we see the Legion is that is as much a threat to Azeroth as the Old Gods. We have been lead there, even perhaps serendipitously, with the other events we have traveled in along our journeys through time. We release Thrall, a key figure in the fight against Archimonde. We go through End Time if only to go to the Well of Eternity. We ensure conflict by saving the world from destruction. Moruzond just wants to create conflict to cultivate heroes, not destroy everything. The Legion had a chance at that at Hyjal and the Well of Eternity until heroes sent by Nozdormu went to that point in time to protect Azeroth. This gives the world more time to create stronger heroes to remove the Old Gods perhaps or even to vanquish the Legion and Sargeras himself.
11-24-2011 @ 1:06AM
You realize that we went back to those places to stop the Infinte Dragonflight from preventing them from stopping Thrall/Medivh, right?In the true timeline, there is no group of heroes escorting Arthas around Stratholme, there are his footsoldiers.In the true timeline, there isn't an attack on Medivh by dragons and a group of heroes save him.In the true timeline, there are no people escorting Thrall's escape from Durnehold, Tabetha does that.You're purposefully muddling up things fit this narrative. I can appreciate tin foil hatting, but this isn't even 'good' tin foil hatting.
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