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11-29-2011 @ 3:16PM
Ah,more recipes and mats I won't ever get. Always fun to be forced to raid to make stuff. I'm all for raiders having the best gear,but why are they also the only ones who can make the best craftables? They will be getting better gear from drops anyway,won't they?
11-29-2011 @ 4:09PM
I think you're a bit confused. The patterns allow you to craft the equivalent of current-level normal mode raiding gear, like the ones that dropped off Firelands trash. These are not like the Molten Front ones which were more accessible but inferior to raid-quality gear.You say that you're ok with raiders having better gear, so why is it not okay that the patterns they have access to can craft better gear? Even if you had the patterns, you wouldn't have access to the mats unless you had a ton of money, and probably not for a few months anyway. So you're basically asking to have access to the best gear without raiding*, but you just said you're okay with raiders having better gear...(*don't get me wrong, this is a perfectly fine stance to have albeit contrary to Blizzard's, but it's not a stance you said you supported)
11-29-2011 @ 4:28PM
You too can make the best craftables. Just form a group to farm the trash or farm the auction house. You have to either invest time or money to get the sparkliest of purples.
11-29-2011 @ 5:27PM
I didn't touch firelands and I still crafted the 378 and made huge profit. Just waited for the AH to be flooded with tailoring patterns, bought mine for 3k and *chaching*
11-29-2011 @ 5:53PM
@ Eel5pe: The problem isn't that raiders get better gear to craft and the special materials to do it. The problem is that non-raiding crafters don't get anything interesting. Crafting could be a fun little mini-game for all of us who don't raid (and that is most players). But instead all crafting is used for is another "incentive" to make us raid.I wish Blizzard would understand. It isn't some sort of "mistake" that most players don't raid. It isn't going to change "if only". Trying to use all kinds of game mechanisms to railroad people into raids is a waste.
11-29-2011 @ 6:21PM
So what're you going to do with this crafted armour, if you're not going to raid with it?
11-29-2011 @ 8:11PM
Actually,eel5pe,I'm not confused at all. I know the difference between Molten Front recipes and the ones,you know, I can't actually get. I never said I wanted the absolute best gear from crafting,as others seem to have bent over backwards to misinterpret from my earlier post. Last time I looked it took me the same points to max smithing out as it it does for a raider. I would even like to be able to make my own best gear from my trainer. Oh,Cata is over we will let you spend all your gold on orbs now,to make a 365 item. Or lower.I am NOT asking to have the best gear without raiding. I do wonder how many people took down heroic Ragnaros with ease cause the absolute best in slot items came from crafting.
11-30-2011 @ 12:11AM
@Battleweep:What are *you* going to do with the BiS weapons that drop off of heroic Deathwing? Kill him harder? Be marginally more powerful in the opening area of Mists of Panderia in the twenty minutes before a better weapon is rewarded? Gear isn't just functional, it's a reward. As of right now, the only paths to reward are PVP (hope you don't mind dropping $400+ on special computer accessories and an expensive T1 line for minimal lag) or Raiding (see above, plus the awful process of actually *raiding heroics.* Yegh.)Most people don't raid because they don't want to. Treating raiders like special snowflakes who deserve everyone's envy and affection is an old-world way of thinking, as dead as those old Vanilla questlines that sent you all across creation and made you collect 200 of something. People should raid because it's fun, not because they're douchebags who like to cruise by everyone else in a nicer car that they earned with their excessive free time. If you need to be rewarded for your entertainment time, it's clearly not entertaining you, and if envy is the only reward you'll accept then you seriously need to get a life.Mists of Panderia is coming. Blizzard has pretty clearly indicated that they're expanding the game to reward people who - shock and horror! - like to do something other than raiding. God willing, either in a couple of expansions or when MMO subscribers are offered some real competition in the market, somebody will finally wake up and offer people who don't raid something above second class citizenship. (And while I'm dreaming, I'd like a pony made of solid gold.)
11-30-2011 @ 3:21AM
@ Battleweep:I know it is hard for you raiders to imagine that ordinary players want stuff to strive for too. I very much doubt that I can get you raiders out of your belief that you are entitled to the best gear/ coolest content/ most epic storylines/ best recipes/ jazziest titles/ biggest mounts/ highest guild levels / various special reps. I very much doubt that I can change your belief that us lowly peasants should never have stuff like that. Because peasants don't NEED it like you do, right?So consider the money instead. Raiders are so few that their subscription fees must have a very hard time covering all that constant development time raiding demand. Why should 90% of the player base stick around to fund your raiding? For a chance to play a peasant permanently stuck in the mud?
11-30-2011 @ 11:19AM
Quit bitching. Look at Engineers, YET AGAIN not having a single pattern in the end game raid. That's 0 for 3 in expansions. Again, there were no mid tier patterns either. Molten front doesn't count, and even it had more for every other profession. Both items from there were for hunters. Yippee.So quit whining that you will have to wait a month to get a pattern from the AH and can then make a top end item if you spend gold, or can make a ton of gold making these things. Engineers are still sitting around waiting for *A* pattern to drop.
11-30-2011 @ 11:34AM
You know, neither the recipes nor the Essences of Destruction are BoP, so you can just buy them at the AH... It's not exclusive to raiders, so I don't understand the qq...Of course raiders have an easier time having access to this stuff, but hey, no pain no gain.
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