I have a dumb question. I haven't tried LFR yet, but I did do some kills on normal mode. Will I be able to loot bosses in LFR my first try? I was going to try it this weekend and try and get some loot, but not worth it if I'm considered "locked".

Normal and LFR are different so loot will still drop if you go to the LFR after doing normal.

You only get 1 chance at loot per week for the other modes, why should LFR be any different? It isn't designed for you to be able to spam it until you're geared up. It's so people can experience raid content. Considering you can join mid-run, not being able to queue again would suck. If you've had your valor and done all the bosses, yeah you don't have to queue again if you don't want to. If you fancy helping a friend out or just doing it for fun, the option is there.

"From the abuse of the system to "You've looted a few copper from this boss so you get zero." So now it's if you've kill them once, there's no point in queueing again."

Dude, are you serious? This was spelled out a zillion times by blizzard before 4.3. They said you get one shot at loot from a boss once per week, just like you would in a normal or heroic raid, the only difference is they will allow you to queue if you want to run it again for fun (or to run friends/alts/guildies through it).

I am very confused by your anger. It was never their intention to let people exploit a bug and get 5/5 tier day 1. Plus, they are reverting all of those gear gains and looking at very probably suspensions/bans for the players and guilds involved in exploiting the system.

So relax, chill, kill some bosses and have some fun. Yeesh.

@terph - Yes, you will be able to loot bosses in LFR on your first try. LFR is on it's own lockout. I can see where you might be confused, blizzard didn't make this clear. I will quote a very good poster on mmo champion: "they are completly seperated. No matter how many times you run LFR you can always kill a boss on normal mode and receive loot from that boss." It will work the other way around for you too... LFR is it's own little bubble of a lockout system, and does not interact with normal/heroic lockouts or loot.

@Max: Don't know what you're crying about. The system was always designed with the intent that you get loot the first time you kill the boss. If you were expecting to get loot for multiple runs in a week, you were delusional.

@terph: Yes, you'll be able to get LFR loot since you haven't done it yet. Your normal/heroic mode progress doesn't affect your LFR loot eligibility.

I had to re-read what you wrote a couple times as well as the blue post and I am not really sure what you are complaining about. You get one chance at loot- if nothing you can use drops, or you don't win anything, then your chance is up for the week. That is the same as how it works on a normal raid lockout- you get one chance at loot per boss, and if what you want doesn't drop or you don't win it, you don't get to fight that boss until the following week.

I re-read the blue post to see if there was something else that I missed, but I really don't see it. It sounds like you're complaining about the nature of RNG and that's just the way these games work.

Really, there's no reason to queue up in LFR more than 2x per week for the valor points, but some people might want more practice on bosses, or maybe they got in on the last boss twice, or something like that. You don't really know.

@Terph: LFR raids are completely separate from the normal/heroic lockout, so you will get a chance at loot if you have not killed that boss yet in LFR.

OK I thought the idea of the raid finder was to gear people up for normal raids, a bit like instances, also to give people a raiding experience.

I don't want loot every time I go in, but the chance of loot would be nice, but as I said if you hadn't got an item from the boss before.

Having gone though with 2 toons, big repair bills, also no loot. So no chance of gearing up for another week on both. OK I maybe was unlucky on the runs, but why would I go in again this week ? So, so much for gearing.

The other idea was to give a raid experience, that fails in so many areas. If any one walked in to a normal raid and used the same tactics or act the way people are in the raid finder, they will not get past the first mob. It's easier to herd cats than to get any from of organisation in the LFR.

So I admit that I misunderstood what the LFR was for, think it was going to be a bit like instances, which people farm and abuse.

How did blizzard "kill" LFR?

LFR's intent was to give people with less time to commit to the game the Bility to raid, and in a raid you can only LOOT a boss once, If they don't drop the piece you want then try again the next week.

The same rules apply to LFR as any other raid. The only difference is that you do it with a random group.

They definitely "killed it."

It took me a whole minute to get a raid last night. Queuing as dps.

I'm assuming you meant "Raid Finder is awesomely popular! Blizzard really "killed it" with this one!"

I know you can't loot a raid boss two times in a week, because in a raid it's dead, gone, not there so you can't do it twice, but in LFR they are.

I am not say you should get loot, but the chance.

You get extra on the roll for class specific, then why not if it's your 1st time, or you can only greed if you've looted before. That way you still have a chance.

If you are some one with limited time, you may not be able to get in or have a really long wait if you don't get in the LFR with in 2 days because every one else with time and raid experience has done it by then, and there is no point in doing it again.

I do believe that it was a good addition to WoW, but feel they've gone about it wrong. People need to feel as though they stand a chance at something to make them go in.