Roleplaying the eternal question of Deathwing's demise

Ah, the last major patch of the expansion. It's a winding-down point for roleplayers, especially if they've been tying their stories into the events of the expansion itself. While some may be roleplaying the struggle to defeat Deathwing, others may be roleplaying those that have nothing to do with the end of Cataclysm -- the shopkeeps, the elderly or those simply too young to participate.
But the same question resounds for roleplayers of any capacity when we're facing the end of an expansion. Whether you're a raider who roleplays or a casual player who's never set foot in a raid, who actually kills the final boss? When the time came to save the world, who was it that struck the killing blow? And when did that death occur?
Endgame death in roleplay
This is something that we've dealt with since the first day that Onyxia died. Back then, we didn't have any kind of lore confirmation for what happened. We had a quest to turn in Onyxia's head, and our character's name was announced as the dragonslayer for all to hear. But this announcement was made time after time, each with a different name. In The Burning Crusade, we were presented with our first major thematic villain. The Burning Crusade's trailer made it clear that Illidan was the final villain, and his death was supposed to signal the expansion's end. It didn't, in actuality, but Illidan's demise was still an important event, one that many roleplayers weren't sure exactly how to handle.
It wasn't difficult to just attribute the deaths to nameless heroes, because back in the days of vanilla and The Burning Crusade, it was rare to see a raiding roleplayer. For most roleplayers, the difficulty in trying to squeeze raiding into a schedule that was already prioritized for roleplay meant that they simply didn't raid. With Wrath, the Lich King's death was something that was heralded with a statue in the center of Dalaran. Roleplayers couldn't really ignore the statue, nor could they ignore its meaning. And raiding was becoming more accessible, something that even roleplayers could squeeze into their schedules if they wanted -- roleplayers who sometimes claimed that killing blow.
Deathwing's demise is also a touted event, something that is announced. What's a roleplayer to do? You have two realistic choices here. You can choose to try and ignore the events around you, or you can acknowledge that they occurred and work them into your roleplay. But don't get too excited just yet.
Who killed the boss?
Everyone wants to be the hero, the person that struck that killing blow. But in roleplay, taking that route is an exercise in frustration. If my character stated that she killed Deathwing and another player stated that he killed Deathwing, which character is right? For sanity's sake, the answer must be neither.
The easiest tactic to take in conversations regarding boss kills is one of vague impressions, rather than outright statements. When the Warcraft comics were released, the question of who exactly killed Onyxia was defined -- it was Varian Wrynn. However, Varian was also accompanied by a group of heroes that helped out, so it's easy enough for Alliance players to state that they were there. Taking credit for the killing blow, however, is breaking the standing lore.
The same goes for every other major boss in the expansions after. Maiev ultimately killed Illidan; it was Anveena's sacrifice that sent Kil'jaeden packing; and Tirion ultimately led to the Lich King's defeat. But in all of these circumstances, there was always a group of unnamed heroes that were along to help. That help allowed these NPCs to do what must be done and rid the world of the villains who plague it.
That's where a roleplayer can neatly fit in. Blizzard takes great care not to name those heroes, leaving a space open for your character to step into, if that's a direction you wish to take. These named NPCs might've struck the killing blow, but they couldn't have done it without your character's sweat and perseverance.
When do they die?
When do you acknowledge that a major villain has died? While this wasn't a major issue in the case of Illidan and Kil'Jaeden, other bosses drop items that lead to city-wide announcements, like Kael'thas in Tempest Keep or Onyxia. In these cases, a hero is sometimes named outright, yet days later, another hero is named. So when do these villains actually die, if they're being killed over and over? When was the Lich King defeated, if the statue in the middle of Dalaran popped up months before the expansion's end?
In this case, it's easiest to ignore the announcements -- it's a matter of game mechanics, not a matter of roleplay. As far as the issue of when the boss dies, it's easiest to simply place that death at the end of the expansion. Though players are already killing Deathwing, his death isn't something we roleplayers need to acknowledge until the end of the expansion. It's not a finality until then.
With Cataclysm, we've got an expansion that has a clearly defined time line. It's a very linear expansion, and both in-game events and short stories surrounding the game point to time's passing. With the launch of patch 4.2, it's clear that Cho'gall is dead; with patch 4.3, it's clear that Ragnaros is gone. Given this, we can pretty much assume as roleplayers that Deathwing isn't really dead until the release of the next patch.
Problem roleplayers
Invariably, you're going to run into a roleplayer who insists that he is Deathwing's killer. I remember that back in The Burning Crusade, we had a roleplayer on our realm who kept the Head of Kael'thas. He brought the item to Silvermoon and started brandishing it at other roleplayers, insisting that he was the one that killed Kael'thas. He insisted everyone else had to acknowledge it as well, because he had the proof in his hands. When others pointed out that swinging around a decapitated head in public would surely bring about the attention of the city guards, he ignored them.
This sort of thing happens all the time. You will invariably run into a roleplayer or two in your span of roleplaying who insists they were responsible for various important events. You can try to gently correct them, but if that only succeeds in raising their ire, it would be best advised to simply ignore them as you would any other godmodder. If this seems harsh, it's not -- it's simply a reality of roleplay. Sometimes in running dungeons, you'll come across someone you no longer wish to group with, and you are by no means obligated to do so.
The same applies to roleplaying. As a roleplayer, you are by no means obligated to roleplay with everyone you meet. You can choose who to roleplay with and who to simply ignore. In the case of godmodding players, I always recommend trying to talk with them in whispers before placing them on ignore; sometimes they simply don't know any better, and correcting them can create another great roleplayer. But remember, if you're trying that tactic, don't be rude -- be kind, be gentle, be understanding. Don't try to force them to change; simply make a suggestion.
If they are unwilling to listen or are simply rude and unreasonable in return, you can feel free to ignore them at that point. Don't tell them you are going to ignore them; that will only fuel their irritation and it can lead to griefing. Just wish them well, and continue on your way.
When you're dealing with the end of an expansion, roleplay gets a little harder to handle. But if you've got a game plan in mind when it comes to dealing with the technical quibbles behind the events to come, it can make things a heck of a lot easier to handle. And remember -- if you're roleplaying with a guild or a group, check in with them too, and make sure you're all on the same page. Keep your chin up and remember: Just because you aren't the one who struck the killing blow, it doesn't make your character any less of a hero. In a way, it makes them more of a hero, because they continue to soldier on and help in any way they can, regardless of acknowledgment.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Imnick Dec 4th 2011 10:36PM
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Thrall strikes the killing blow anyway ;)
Jae Dec 4th 2011 11:19PM
Kill stealers of expansion's final bosses:
Burning Crusade: Maiev
Wrath of the Lich King: Tirion
Cataclysm: Thrall
Skarn Dec 5th 2011 12:15AM
It's interesting how player perceptions have shifted since early WoW. I recall many complaints before anyone got to Black Temple about "why do these great lore figures like Illidan die to 25 random nameless people?" And in Wrath "you mean we're going to kill an Aspect? Some random no-names with swords? What?"
Now more often I see "why does this [lore figure] take all the credit for our kill?" We WoW players are so funny. :)
yagamimoon Dec 5th 2011 3:04AM
It is also interesting that the last KSers were a night elf and a human, but now that it's an orc, OMG HORDE FAVORITISM!!11ONEONE >:O
DragonFireKai Dec 5th 2011 3:35AM
I think the difference is that in BC and Wrath, while Tirion and Maeve were pivotal in the encounter, Maeve with the Traps, and Tirion with breaking Frostmourne, it was still the players who got to actually finish the boss off in the encounter. Even if it was just euthanizing a helpless Lich King, it was the raid who stuck the final blow. In the Madness of Deathwing, it's the other way around, you spend the whole fight trying holding Deathwing off so that Thrall can deliver the killing blow.
perderedeus Dec 5th 2011 3:47AM
There's also the matter of these secondary characters having history with the antagonists, where Thrall's link to Deathwing has been entirely concocted during the events of this expansion alone. Tirion at least was a paladin and a former member of the Silver Hand, and the Argent Dawn had always stood against the Scourge. Maiev and Illidan go way back. Way back.
The one character who would have best as this expansion's Tirion or Maiev is Alexstrasza, but they opted for our "heroes" to help Thrall instead.
Al Dec 5th 2011 6:56AM
Hell, Rhonin seemed more of the obvious pick going into Cata. He'd even used the Soul before.
Vitos Dec 4th 2011 11:27PM
As for who, I usually go with the NPC that struck the killing blow. Sometimes I might be there, but oft-times, I'm not. With my main, a pally, I'm not going to claim that I was there for Deathwing's demise. While it is important to the world, the betrayal of the Archbishop hit alot closer to home for her, and so the Archbishop is the villain she will go after and claim credit for helping to stop.
Alexandra Dec 4th 2011 11:54PM
It seems to me that the events leading up to Deathwing's demise argue for a perfect interpretation of him dying immediately after 4.3's launch. Every kill after that is a temporal variant, some reflection or split timeline that's emerged as a result of swiping the Dragon Soul from the far past. Each kill is no less necessary than the first, to prevent the timeline from realigning itself to restore Deathwing. (Why does End Time still exist after the first run? Echoes of these undefeated Deathwings.)
As far as 'crazy dude with a head'... one dead elf head probably looks a lot like any other. As far as YOU know, he's just a guy who stole a head from... somewhere. It's Kael'Thas, you swear? Well, I'm not personally in the habit of trusting guys with severed heads, so...
(I killed Hogger, though. Solo. No lie.)
Aenemah Dec 5th 2011 12:41AM
This is the awesome part though, I don't need to kill Deathwing. I need to be there for it, but I don't need to kill him.
You see, it may have been King Wrynn who struck the final blow to Onyxia, but he could not have done it without me.
Maiev finally got justice upon Illidan, but without me, she would still be rotting away in a Broken prison.
The Lich King finally lost control of Frostmourne and the thousands of souls it claimed finally took his unlife from him, but Tirion relied on the strength of me and my companions to get to the point where the final blow could be given.
And I'll be there for Deathwing. I may not have to kill him, some other hero will step in and take that credit. But I will be there, and the hero will not rise for his moment if I cannot pull through and become the defender of azeroth that I have always, and will always be. In some way, I am an even greater hero. Each moment in Azeroths history has been painted by a hero striking the final blow to the current threat our world suffers, but I have been there for every single one of them. My blades will stay sharp, my armor rimed in frost and prepared for battle. A new threat will come for all life on our world, and I will be there, holding the front and preparing the cameo hero to step in and save the world. I am afterall, a Knight of the Ebon Blade, and we forge our own destiny. My blades hunger for the blood of evil, let it come.
eirinefrostblade Dec 5th 2011 3:08AM
I hope your character was participating in Onyxia and Illidan's defeats as some other class before rising as a Knight of the Ebon Blade, then, as we weren't around prior to that. As much as I love going back and running old raids, as a roleplayer I always know that, realisticly, Eirine was otherwise occupied while Maiev was killing the Betrayer.
Kylenne Dec 5th 2011 3:29AM
@Eirine: Heh, this is exactly the sort of thing I was talking about in my comment. You don't know what this character's backstory is as a DK, but you're ready to jump in and write a ticket.
Back when I still RP'd, I had an especially overzealous rules lawyer accuse my DK of being a special snowflake/Stu for having died during the fall of Quel'Thalas. Then, lo and behold, the Death Knight manga came out a few months later and showed Koltira's backstory, which was basically the same, barring the point when he were rezzed. I never did get that pardon.
eirinefrostblade Dec 5th 2011 5:10AM
@Kylenne: I have problem with saying your character did all that before they were converted. My problem is with the death knights that claim they helped kill Illidan as a death knight. We weren't death knights before Wrath. End of story. My death knight didn't go to Outlands as a warrior. She was in EPL with the Argent Dawn. It's a timing thing, and not a "hah! You can't do that!" thing. If your character was with the advance into Draenor before conversion, awesome! One of my friends has that as his RP, too.
eirinefrostblade Dec 5th 2011 5:12AM
*sigh* I have NO problem... Stupid phone comment fail.
Finnicks Dec 5th 2011 1:35AM
Good roleplaying takes a certain amount of finesse and tact.
If you want your character to have been present for the kill, go for it. Three of my characters were there, in my storyline.
But that's just it. It's *my* storyline. Not everyone will agree. And there comes a point where you learn to be tactful about where you RP that storyline, and if someone disagrees, LET IT GO. Drop it. Agree to disagree, and don't RP about that topic.
Easy peasy.
Kylenne Dec 5th 2011 3:19AM
Simple: if I did it in game, I did it in character. I don't need to be the one to have dealt the killing blow, but I'm not going to hem and haw in false modesty and pretend my character didn't ICly actually do shit s/he damn well did in the game just because the RP Police thinks it's grounds for a Sue warrant. If people don't like that, they can piss off and approach someone else. Then again, I come from the old D&D school of fantasy roleplaying, where there wasn't this blatant sense of Gameplay and Story Segregation, and PCs were MEANT to be larger than life above-average heroes, as opposed to random anonymous schmucks living in the shadows of NPCs.
The problem with WoW RP is that you have too many self-appointed RP Cops looking for infractions they can write summons about on the forums/LJ rather than understanding that other people may have different RP philosophies and trying to work with that, or--gasp, trying to discuss it IC--or ignoring it if they can't.
This, incidentally, is why I gave up on WoW RP entirely ages ago and just stick to writing fic about my characters and my headcanon.
eirinefrostblade Dec 5th 2011 10:13AM
Your rp sounds completely viable, actually. I'm sorry that some moron decided to take issue with it and cause you to stop rping in-game.
The only person I've ever given a serious stink-eye to for their rp (and even then I commented on it to my guildies and let others do the mocking) was a night.elf death knight claiming to be the exiled king of Gilneas, right before Cata dropped.
Oteo Dec 5th 2011 3:49AM
If I see someone claiming they were the ones who struck the killing blow on the Lich King, my character usually treats them like they're insane, like, "Oohh, suuuure ya did... you're so big and strong. /headpat"
Same goes for people who claim to be half dragons, half other things, Thrall's brother etc. etc.
Fletcher Dec 5th 2011 5:14AM
It was Thrall. It was all Thrall. He (and to a lesser extent Malfurion) are the protagonist/s of Cataclysm. We're just there to carry his bags. Hell, if you read "Charge of the Aspects", we're only in the Dragon Soul raid at all because Thrall asks Alexstrasza to let us tag along.
At this point I wish Thrall would go back to being Warchief; not because Garrosh is terrible and a big meanie, but because it'd mean *I'd be able to kill him*.
RetPallyJil Dec 5th 2011 5:27AM
As a non-RP player, I am annoyed that Onyxia got taken away from me - it was a bum move by Blizzard, to say the least.
However, Illidan was killed by Maiev ... with the help of adventurers (including me!) and the Lich King was killed by Tirion Fordring, with the help of adventurers (including me!) And when the time comes lil' RPJ will be there too - beating Deathwing over the head with some ludicrously large weapon.
Jil is actually quite a little badass, isn't she? I must say it pleases me to know that.