Drama Mamas: Falsely accused of public cybersex
This week's letter comes from France, which shows just how universal WoW drama is.
Dear Drama Mamas,
I recently transferred from a bottom-of-the-charts server to a high-rated one, and after a few raid as un PUG on my new server I found a guild that fitted me perfectly. I was recruited as a main tank, for Firelands and oncoming 4.3. The first weeks were idyllic: tons of raid, even with HM (I was 3/7 normal mode before my transfer). I learned a lot and worked hard to progress. I was the only woman in the guild but there wasn't a problem for me, as I consider me IG as a player and a tank above all.
Apart from the raids, I helped a lot, furnishing compos, tanking heroics and helping for achievements. I have a huge playing time and I really like helping my mates. I spent a lot of time on TS with them, discussing about the game or anything else and laughing hard. My guild was the kind of guild where you always have something in preparation and the TS is never empty. I particularly appreciated my GM, who unfortunately was about to quit WoW for a few months for professional reasons. He wanted to level a last toon before leaving and I helped him. We spent nights discussing.
The drama appeared the night before my GM left. I had spent the night IG in old raids with a mate (officer) who likes old gear and achievements as much as I do (the GM considered achievements are sh*t and worthless). We were on TS in a separate channel but anyone could join and even come with us IG. We came back in Orgrimmar for a break, me showing him the new dresses I had found. We played with Dalaran fireworks and got our toons drunk. Nothing bad, you'll tell me. Then the GM came IG with a former member of the guild and accused us of having cybersex in Orgrimmar! He said that we smeared the guild tag. We tried to explain him but he would not change his mind. I was very upset and I told him he'd better kick me from the guild if he really thought I was a cyberwh*re. So he did.
When I logged on the day after, I was sure this was all misunderstanding and I would be reguilded very soon. But the GM was already gone without explaining my situation to the guild. That is to say, in this guild the GM was God, then if he kicked me was true to kick me. My friend the officer, seeing that I was very sad about all that, reguilded one of my toons so I could explain my situation. He asked me to talk with the other officers and after that my other toon would be reguilded. I found that it was unfair, as I did nothing wrong, it was simple misunderstanding, but I accepted to talk to the offs. I tried to contact them several times but they were always busy or even didn't answer.
On the week after I logged my toon who was in the guild and discovered that she had been kicked during the night. I discovered that it was my dear friend the officer who had kicked me! He explained that he had me reguilded because I was sad and it was a mistake, as he had not talked to the other offs before. He said he kicked me again to repair his mistake towards the guild.
Now I'm really desperate and I'm very angry at my friend. I do not log my toons anymore and have lost my hobby. It's so unfair! I have kept in touch with my friend the officer outside WoW and he knows how I feel. He wants to meet me IRL as we had planned before and perhaps we could start something together because we really appreciate each other but I feel so resentful towards him... For him it's past and he dont't want to hear about this guild issue anymore. He lost nothing, is still in the guild and still an officer. I'm the one who has been treated as a wh*re and lost everything.
How should I react facing this? He says he has feelings for me and he cares but he shows no compassion and decided on his own to kick me again from the guild, knowing that it would hurt me a lot. For him the issue is closed but for me it clearly isn't. He wants things from me (having a relation) and I want it too but I can't help being angry at him and I know it will be a huge shadow on our relation. Do I overreact?
LonelyTank
Sometimes when doors get slammed in your face -- rudely and inappropriately or not -- the best response is to get the heck away before it opens just enough again to smash your fingers (or your nose!) a second time. It's pretty obvious that sexism is in full bloom in this nasty little garden, and anything you could possibly do to clear yourself a weed-free little patch will not affect the rest. You've found the limits of friendship and acceptance with these boys -- they're only willing to play along with you when you stay inside the male box they'd like to keep you in. (You know, the one where chicks are scapegoats. ... yeah, that one.)
The same, unfortunately, goes for Mr. Friend the Officer. Oh, I'm sure he's pining to go hang out in Orgrimmar with you again, all right -- but in the meantime, he's unable to clarify his relationship and actions with you to the rest of the guild or even relay reliable information between the involved parties, despite being part of the leadership team of this guild. I know you want to like the guy, LT, but come on ... Seriously? You're still giving him the time of day?
"Do I overreact?" No, LonelyTank, you do not. Please don't waste another moment on this group of cads and their fine officer who hung you out to dry in Orgrimmar. Be good to yourself, and best of luck finding a sympatico guild.
It seems to me that the burden of proof was on the officers and GM, not you. As the saying goes: Screenshots, or it didn't happen. Public cybering is, by definition, public. There would have to be incriminating emotes and other easily snapshotted evidence. The GM should never have just taken someone's word for it, nor should the officers have upheld it after the GM left. And Mr. Friend the Officer should have been clear that without screenshots, you would have to be reinstated. (I'm also wondering if Mr. Friend even got a reprimand. It seems that you were the only one punished for something you both allegedly did.)
I agree that if you were participating in some public erotic roleplay, that does give a non-ERP guild a bad name. And I also agree that if proven, some reprimand should be given to the both of you. I think that unless it is written in the guild rules that one transgression equals a kick, that a warning and some probation would have been much more appropriate.
Lisa is correct about the sexism. While you thought of yourself as a tank first, they thought of you as a woman first and were probably inclined to expect drama from you accordingly. Otherwise, all of your good work as a tank would not have been thrown aside so easily.
One thing though, LonelyTank -- your ultimatum to the GM was not the right thing to do. Calmly demanding screenshots to prove your behavior would have been much better. Insisting he believe your word over someone else's without proof was wrong as was telling him to kick you otherwise. If you ever find yourself in a similar situation again (and I hope you don't), insist on a fair discussion of the situation, but not with any threats or ultimatums.
I hope your guild search is short and rewarding.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Guilds, Drama Mamas






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 7)
ScrubRogue Dec 5th 2011 2:19PM
So they lost a main tank over heresay? Seriously abandon them, go somewhere where they don't burn "witches".
Gossamer Dec 5th 2011 2:25PM
Indeed. These folks were obviously not your friends and you should tell Mr. Doesn't stick up for his friends to buzz off. There are plenty of guilds out there that are friendly, fun, and know how to respect all of their players. The fact that you are a very active tank and a sweet person will endear you to a new guild very shortly and you can forget about this mess and get back to enjoying your hobby. Buck up hon, they aren't worth it!
Robin Torres Dec 5th 2011 2:25PM
But she turned me into a newt!
Bellajtok Dec 5th 2011 2:29PM
If the GM got turned into the newt, I hope he didn't get better.
djsuursoo Dec 5th 2011 2:39PM
@robin: you don't look like a newt...
Robin Torres Dec 5th 2011 2:55PM
I got better.
Quasi Dec 5th 2011 3:29PM
GM's reaction seemed pretty strong, only girl in guild. Sounds like someone assumed their E-power was going to transfer into E-ladyparts. Soon as he though the ERP was going to someone not him he flipped out. Also, I always assume in these letters the writer is NEVER 100% innocent of anything. Chances are ERP occured, GM over reacts because he hasn't been kissed. Drama ensues, because its wow, nobody stands up for anyone because "omg no drama!" which really means "Suck up dictatorship, never voice a contrary opinion, conform, obey, get in line."
Game makes me ill lately.
noel mcleod Dec 5th 2011 4:23PM
Uh, really ...
You are so much better off far, far away from these people. They are really, really not nice. And I would bet all my 85's that the issue has more to do with your being female and acting female and that being too hard for itty, bitty egos to deal with.
You can either cut it as a raider or you can't. If you can't, you get booted for statistically demonstrable performance issues. Anything else, they are a bunch of spoiled little boys.
slim1256 Dec 5th 2011 5:19PM
In other news - if the OP is as helpful as she's made herself out to be... there are lots of good guilds that would love to have a capable main tank that also likes to help out, be friendly, and contribute to everyone's fun.
Just cause you enjoyed this guild does NOT mean that there's no other guild out there for you. Find one that is a little more friendly to women.
My guild is extremely female friendly - I know they're out there. Just be sure to consider maturity when you're looking for the next guild, and you'll do fine.
vendeurfrancais Dec 5th 2011 7:28PM
I don't think the GM was entirely wrong to believe the hearsay. you said so yourself that you were considering a RL relationship with this guy, and while you apparently had been keeping that on the downlow IG, in my experience people who are either in a relationship or are trying to get in one are never as good at hiding it as they think they are. so regardless of your good intentions, being alone in a private channel with this guy, even if someone could have come into the channel, and then playing dress up and setting off fireworks looks extremely suspicious to an uninformed bystander. and then if you have ever actually met a person who had admitted their guilt after doing something illicit I would be amazed. It just sounds to me like the OP left some parts out of the story.
Shinae Dec 5th 2011 2:22PM
Yikes, this situation really sucks. I sympathize with how much it hurts, but she's better off with walking away.
If LT's old guild is not willing to trust or listen to her and or even give her the benefit of the doubt, they are not worth her time. And because her officer "friend" did not stand up for her, when he was the best witness she had, then he is not truly a friend.
Best wishes to you, LonelyTank.
terph Dec 5th 2011 2:24PM
I wonder if 1) the GM had a thing for the OP. Or if 2) he somehow thought they were celebrating his departure by shooting fireworks and getting tipsy in Org. Either way, it sounds very much like he was trying to find a bone to pick with her.
muffin_of_chaos Dec 5th 2011 7:55PM
Guessin' that she wasn't a very good tank, and they were looking for an excuse to kick her.
That's a shitty thing to do, but it happens all the time.
Nagaina Dec 5th 2011 2:24PM
"How should I react facing this? He says he has feelings for me and he cares but he shows no compassion and decided on his own to kick me again from the guild, knowing that it would hurt me a lot. For him the issue is closed but for me it clearly isn't. He wants things from me (having a relation) and I want it too but I can't help being angry at him and I know it will be a huge shadow on our relation. Do I overreact?"
Your so-called friend is using you to get what he wants. Kick his ass to the curb.
Killik Dec 5th 2011 7:50PM
This. He couldn't even stand up for you in a stupid disagreement with his in-game friends and he let you take the blame for everything. How is he remotely boyfriend material?
Pyromelter Dec 5th 2011 8:15PM
"Your so-called friend is using you to get what he wants. Kick his ass to the curb."
I think we could add a third drama mama to this post Nagaina, not just this one but all of the rest of your comments are completely spot on.
+1
Srslyyeswai Dec 6th 2011 1:24PM
What Nagaina said. Also I'd like to throw in there that it's usually a bad idea to date someone you met in wow. Really bad idea. I may or may not be speaking from experience!
IMO LT, look for a guild that is mature and has females in the guild. My current guild has a few females (even one is dating another guildy) but we treat them with much more respect than most guilds I've been in. They're out there, just keep looking and sorry about all this... sounds like these dudes have some learning to do about females.
Aaron Dec 5th 2011 2:25PM
LOL @ egging a "god"-type GM to kick you. He will always kick.
djsuursoo Dec 5th 2011 2:51PM
as a guild leader, if someone delivered an ultimatum like that, the 'you'd better kick me then', i'd kick regardless of right or wrong, friend or no, no matter what the role is.
you do NOT let that sort of thing hang without action.
i'm no 'god-type' leader either.
nor do i let challenges to my authority lie. it's right there in the rules, right after 'refer to rule #1'
"the boss' word is final. tantrums will be met with the boot. we're all adults(or close to), and should be able to act that way."
she threw a tantrum and baited her GL. instead of acting like she was in the right, that is, asking for proof before judgement, she instead acted as though she was somehow special and above reproach. she made a bluff and he called it.
now his reaction could very well have been jealousy, as he and the poster were spending a lot of time together(i've seen similar happen in guilds with few female members), or it could have been that there were in fact, some lightly inappropriate goings on, along the lines of flirting, etc, that could have been viewed as 'racy' or any of that.
but her actions, any sane/rational leader should have done what that guy did. being able to call out the guild leader without any sort of response sets a horrific precedent. if she'd kept her head, she'd have stayed.
MattKrotzer Dec 5th 2011 3:04PM
@djsuursoo:
Agreed. A good GM (and/or officer) is willing to work with the rational, and discuss things. But when your authority is thrown in your face, then it's time to show them the door, regardless of position on the issue at hand.
Had a situation like this pop up a while back in my old guild. I was an officer, and got word that one of our newer members had scammed a player out of some items, and then was trying to extort money to give them back.
Conferred with the other available officers, just to cover my bases, then gave him a gkick.
When the GM got on later, he was NOT happy, as the player had been a vital part of his arena team. He ranted and raged about us making decisions without him, until we all pointed out that such decisions were precisely the thing he'd assigned us when giving us the officer positions. Positions he said he'd support. Thankfully, my fellow officers had my back, else I'd have likely gotten a boot as well.
This GM eventually succumbed to his "my word is law" sensibilities, leading to my stepping down as an officer, and not long after, the remaining officers leading a mass exodus to form our new guild. He promptly exited the game, leaving it to the one remaining officer, who'd only stuck around because he'd been about to form his own guild, and now he could just inherit the one we'd already established, instead.
All in all, it worked out well enough in the end, but that drama was hellish at the time.